Alex ([personal profile] alexbayleaf) wrote in [site community profile] dw_suggestions2011-08-28 07:31 pm

Rearrange the logged-in homepage

Title:
Rearrange the logged-in homepage

Area:
homepage

Summary:
Make the logged-in homepage more appealing by modernising the UI, showing more relevant and dynamic content near the top of the page, adding pointers to help new users, and grouping notifications in the right sidebar.

Description:
Today I looked at the Dreamwidth homepage and thought about what it might look like to a new user who's recently signed up, especially those who might be coming from non-LJ-like sites. (In this case, I was thinking of Google+, but it probably holds for other sites as well.) It occurred to me that the page looks a little lifeless and doesn't really point people at the stuff they are most likely to need. At the same time, I know that I (and some friends I asked, also long time LJ/DW users) don't really use the homepage, but head straight for our reading pages or the update page. I'd like to see actual stats on this, but I suspect this is a common pattern. So, what I'm going to suggest is mostly intended to be useful to newer users, but I hope it won't horribly bother older users who regularly use the homepage.

Currently the page shows:

MAIN COLUMN:
<user name="dw_news"> update
Quick update form
Inbox

RIGHT COLUMN:
Search DW
Reading list
Account stats
Tag cloud (your own tags)
Community management (required actions)
Your current theme

Here's what I'd like to suggest:

MAIN COLUMN:
Quick update form
Reading list (see notes below)
People/content discovery (see notes below)
Themes (see notes below)

RIGHT COLUMN:
Search DW
DW news (link only)
Birthdays
Inbox
Community management

Here's my justification.

1. READING LIST

Firstly, most other modern social network stream-like sites, these days, have your "stream" on the front page when you login: Twitter, Facebook, Google+, etc. New people, especially, are going to expect to see some action on the front page. A lot of new DW people I talk to don't really understand about the "reading" page and how awesome it is. So I'd like to put some of that stream of posts right in front of them, and explain why they want to go to the reading page for the full experience.

Here's what I think it should show:

* ~5 recent posts, in short form (userpic, user name, date, subject, first couple of lines of the body, comment count)
* "See more on your reading page. Your reading page lets you see all your friends' posts, etc etc..." (i.e. a short blurb about why the reading page is where the action's really at)

2. PEOPLE/CONTENT DISCOVERY

New users often seem to wonder how they can find stuff on DW. It would be good to have a bit of information with some pointers here, including eg. "latest things", searching the directory, promo communities, stuff like that.

3. THEMES

We currently show your current theme on the front page. Yawn. People generally know what their current theme is! But why not combine this with promoting new themes? Widen the "theme" box and stick it at the bottom of the main content column, and say "You're currently using theme X. Did you know DW has hundreds of themes to choose from, that you can use to customise your own journal and reading page? Check out themes Y and Z!"

4. NOTIFICATIONS

I'm going to collapse "DW news", "Birthdays", "Inbox", and "Community management actions" into "Notifications" here. These are all things that are like "Hey, this is a timely new thing you might want to pay attention to." Grouping them would be a good idea.

I think that the "DW news" thing should be reduced to a smaller link. People get the news notifications by email anyway (by default), and many have them on their reading lists. A notification that says "hey, there's a newish one" might be helpful but it doesn't need to sit there taking up prime real estate for weeks.

The rest should be obvious -- birthdays, inbox, community management, etc. All things you probably want to know about as they happen. Putting them all near each other just seems like a sensible UI choice to me.

5. ACCOUNT STATS AND TAG CLOUD

These just seem to be taking up real estate without serving much purpose, IMHO. The account stats are duplicated on your own profile page, and the tag cloud is duplicated on most people's themes (in the sidebar or wherever). Lose 'em.

I'm sure people will want to pull all this apart and put it back together differently, and I have to say, I'm not deeply committed to any particular part of this proposal, but I do want to reiterate the main point: the logged in homepage should be rearranged to be more dynamic and appealling, and to point new DW users at DW's best features and help them find their way around.

Potential drawbacks: I'm sure there are some people who are very fond of the current layout, who'd be disappointed with this. I can't really think of any other drawbacks.

Implementation: This is mostly a UI rearrangement and shouldn't require a lot of new functionality under the hood. I think it should be relatively straightforward, though it would require a few design iterations to make it really good. (I know it's not as complex as the new posting form's redesign, but it might be nice to do the iterations in a similarly public manner.)

Poll #7988 Rearrange the logged-in homepage
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 61


This suggestion:

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Should be implemented as-is.
35 (57.4%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
5 (8.2%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
1 (1.6%)

(I have no opinion)
20 (32.8%)

(Other: please comment)
0 (0.0%)

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[personal profile] montuos 2011-09-02 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I do agree that the default homepage could be made more friendly to new users. I will also state that as an old user, I generally only go there when my login has expired, or when I want something off the Create / Organize / Read / Explore / Shop toolbar that I haven't bookmarked and which doesn't appear in my navbar.

I definitely would want to see the theme module promoted and expanded with a couple of different themes. I honestly didn't even know it was there, because it's off the bottom of my screen!

It also occurs to me that it might be possible to allow users to select and rearrange the homepage modules the same way we can select and rearrange modules in our styles. As [personal profile] skud points out, the needs of new users are significantly different from those of experienced users.
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[personal profile] matgb 2011-09-02 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Re Implementation, yes, as is, it's just a rearrange, redesign, everything's already there or available.

However, I'm looking back tot he old LJ portal page that never really got off the ground but was a good plan-movable modules that you just dragged and dropped, with the option to add or remove stuff at whim. bit like, say, the iGoogle pages or similar.

I suspect that'd be a good approach, nice and easy UI, and allows those of use that know what we're doing to adjust it, but ensures newer users get the stuff they need.

Definitely agree it needs to be a lot more new-user friendly. And also volunteer to help test/design it, although the backend coding will be beyond me.
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[personal profile] owl 2011-09-02 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Those portal type things were big in the industry about five years ago, but most sites seem to have retired them. I suspect it's because the average user doesn't want to customize the page.
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[personal profile] majoline 2011-09-02 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
While I have no idea what the homepage should look like, I will readily admit that I don't ever go there unless I accidentally end up logged out.
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[personal profile] susanreads 2011-09-02 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I like the general idea but I'm not sure about the specifics. Needs a more detailed survey, I think - the trouble with that is, we want to make it useful for new users but they don't know what's available, and they're not likely to comment here.

The change I'd most like to see is modularising it so we can move things around, and hide what we don't want to see. We can't make one design that'll suit everybody - apart from different usage patterns, people have different size screens so we don't know how much will be above the fold.
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[personal profile] aedifica 2011-09-02 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I never use the homepage either, but this suggestion makes sense.
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2011-09-02 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
As a not-newbie, I would also use this page more if it included content/feature discovery rather than stuff I either don't care about enough to see them every time I open DW or get via other means.

[personal profile] feathertail 2011-09-02 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
+1. Content discovery's kind of a weak point right now, unless you just want to drink from the firehose. I'd love it if DW's home page was like the DeviantArt home page, and had some way of filtering the lastest posts and/or showing you ones you might be interested in.
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[personal profile] existence 2011-09-02 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
+1

Modular homepages for me really isn't that much of a draw? But content discovery is a nifty and useful thing in general. I also agree with [personal profile] susanreads that if the homepage is redone, some form of content survey should probably be assayed.
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[personal profile] lorax 2011-09-02 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
+1, it would probably make me use it more often as well if that were the case.

[personal profile] feathertail 2011-09-02 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not big on a cluttered home page layout, and your Reading List is already available as its own page. But if the DW home page included some serious content discovery options, I'd visit it a lot more often.

[personal profile] voldsom 2011-09-03 06:12 am (UTC)(link)
Ticking I have no opinion on this. I think there is room for improvement, but I'm not sure where that improvement should be.

My usage case is actually that I normally go to the home page first. That's where my bookmark is set, and since I have as a minimum of four pages that auto open and my Reading page can get kind of heavy, I like having it staggered. Plus some mornings I'll update before reading, so where I go is subject to chance.
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[staff profile] denise 2011-09-03 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
Here's a crazy-ass idea: what about forwarding the logged-in homepage (LIH) to the logged-in user's reading page, or embed the rp in the LIH under a larger set of useful links than the navstrip has?

That addresses the fact that yeah, most "modern" sites use the LIH for what we use the reading page for, while at the same time keeping existing behavior.

Stick a few content discovery modules over top of the rp and bam. We could even combine that with http://dw-suggestions.dreamwidth.org/586557.html and wherever the suggestion for continual-scrolling AJAX: the LIH version of the reading page demonstrates all the fancy-AJAX bells-and-whistles, the username.dreamwidth.org/read keeps the old behavior.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2011-09-03 06:24 am (UTC)(link)
I'm strangely not as averse to the thought of embedding it as I thought I might have been. Which is to say, I'm a bit twitchy about it, but as long as links to the functionality people need happens to be there...

ooo. Now I'm seeing a three-line update form on top of the reading page, for people composing thinky-thoughts while not having to pull away from whatever they were reading, which can then be shunted into a draft for polishing after the basic sketching-out is done. Hmmmmmmmmm.
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2011-09-03 11:13 am (UTC)(link)
what about forwarding the logged-in homepage (LIH) to the logged-in user's reading page

I would hate this.
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[staff profile] denise 2011-09-03 11:18 am (UTC)(link)
I don't mean "forward" as in actually http redirect (poor choice of words), I mean, duplicate the information from the reading page as the primary content of the (site-skinned) logged-in homepage, with an expanded dashboard-type utility over it to contain some of the additional stuff that's on the LIH now and that wouldn't fit into the navstrip.

What does the current LIH give you that this proposal wouldn't?
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2011-09-03 11:21 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, ok then. Well, I'm not interested in having posts from my reading page there. As I said above, I'm much more in reading things which aren't on my reading page yet so, sure, why not, but if it's just what the page is about + what we already have, which is not very useful to me, then I don't see the point as far I'm concerned.
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[staff profile] denise 2011-09-03 11:34 am (UTC)(link)
The point would be as Skud described, making sure new, non-LJ users (who are conditioned by every other web 2.0 property out there to expect the LIH to be the central point of interaction with the site) can find the central point of interaction with the site, which on DW is not the LIH, it's the reading page.

Secondary point to my particular version of the suggestion would be to be able to revise and modernize the reading page in ways that many other suggestions have asked for that have been evenly split between "I want this so much!" and "I hate this so much!" -- the existing reading page could keep the existing function, and the new LIH could get the bells and whistles.
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2011-09-03 11:36 am (UTC)(link)
Skud's suggestion is about more than the reading page, which would make the page more useful to me, a not-new user, as well. I prefer this.

[personal profile] ex_mrs260625 2011-09-04 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Personally, I'm mainly in favour of prominently *featuring* the reading page so new users can easily get to it, I wouldn't want the LIJ to *replace* the reading page. Maybe I'm just stodgy. :0)

For me, the main functions of the site are posting content on my journal and reading content on the reading pages. I would also love to see a prominent way to find my way to new content that I would find interesting. So, for me, the LIH would be most useful if the three most prominent features were a way to update my journal, a way to my reading page, and a way to find new content.

[personal profile] ex_mrs260625 2011-09-04 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm. Thinking past my knee-jerk reaction... If the LIH had the same functions as the reading page, plus more, would I change my behaviour?

Yes, maybe I would.