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锴 angry fishtrap 狗 ([personal profile] kaigou) wrote in [site community profile] dw_suggestions2009-08-13 11:40 am

Accessible Layouts

Title:
Accessible Layouts

Area:
Identifying accessible layouts

Summary:
It'd be good to make it easier on folks with vision issues (or who use handhelds) so they can quickly and easily find layouts suited to their purposes.

Description:
I presume eventually DW will follow LJ's path of having provided layouts tagged (seasonal, colorful, minimal, etc). I think there needs to be a tag for users with vision issues, so they can quickly and easily find layouts that are usable with screen readers, screen magnifiers, even handheld devices. (The latter two work best with single-column layouts.)

The same tag, or an overlapping tag (meaning some layouts would qualify as both), would sort out the high-contrast or reverse layouts (stark white on black, stark white on wordperfect blue). Then another tag for layouts with default fonts greater than 14px, and a tag for low-contrast layouts, for users who actually *get* vision problems from too many high-contrast designs.

So there's the categories: vision-accessible, high contrast, low contrast, single-column, and large-font. If I were really dreaming, I'd suggest DW contact its user-comm for blind/vision-impaired users and invite them to be panelists/judges for reviewing/nominating which layouts are "screen-reader-friendly" versus "screen-magnifier-friendly". That way, layouts with that designation really are tested as being good for those purposes, and not just because a good-vision person (like me) says it looks like it satisfies the basic requirements.

(For more info and a great example of designing vision-friendly, see the BBC's info pages on accessible layouts: http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/. It's a wealth of information.)

Poll #998 Accessible Layouts
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 47


This suggestion:

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Should be implemented as-is.
42 (89.4%)

Should be implemented with changes.
2 (4.3%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
0 (0.0%)

(I have no opinion)
3 (6.4%)

(Other: please comment)
0 (0.0%)

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[personal profile] afuna 2009-08-14 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
Very strongly in favor of this :)

It's already possible technically. And I think we could start the process by posting to [site community profile] dw_accessibility.

(Also, I wasn't aware how much you already knew! I should have waited for this to show up before replying to your PM)
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[personal profile] msilverstar 2009-08-14 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
I would love to see a layout with big fonts by design!
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2009-08-14 12:19 pm (UTC)(link)
DW doesn't use a default font size so it lets you use browsers' default font sizes, which are usually very small if one hasn't set a minimum font size, even for people like me with no vision issues. I know I've seen this issue discussed somewhere but I can't remember where. Sorry.
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[personal profile] triadruid 2009-08-15 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
*sigh* No base size? Madness, in this day and age. I thought the difference between IE and FF was bad enough (work wants all our page body text to be 10pt; I insist on relative sizing for accessibility, then cringe at my browsers).
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2009-08-17 01:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Firefox does have a default font size but, by default, it also lets sites use their own font size so, because DW doesn't set any - they use font-size:100% as you mentioned, it uses the minimum font size which is 9px and the site is unreadable. I can't remember what the default size of IE is but I think it's 'smallest' so the site looks as small over there with this setting.
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[personal profile] susanreads 2009-08-14 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Brilliant idea! Can they also be tested for accessible colours? There's a site (www.vischeck.com) for showing approximately what a page would look like to people with specific colour deficits, but I'm not sure how accurate it is to tell whether link colours are sufficiently distinct.
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[personal profile] softestbullet 2009-08-14 02:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Awesome site! *bookmarks*
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[staff profile] denise 2009-08-22 08:27 am (UTC)(link)
Just to let you know, I'm marking this suggestion as "deferred", just because the suggestion itself is what we call a meta-bug: something that involves a bunch of other tasks that need to get done all in a bundle before the bug could be considered 'resolved'. We try to avoid opening too many meta-bugs, because it can make things difficult to keep track of and it's often hard to figure out when the meta-bug itself is resolved.

We absolutely have started the process of building some accessible layouts behind-the-scenes, and once we have some of those, we'll be sure to highlight them in their own category.