Fake Cut Extender

[syderia]

Title:
Fake Cut Extender

Area:
Entries, Cuts

Summary:
What if fake cuts behaved like real cuts and could be read from one'e reading page ?

Description:
Once upon a time, when people used text cuts in their entries, you have to click on the cut and it would take you to the entry, with an anchor at the beginning of the cut.
People took advantage of this behaviour by making so-called "fake cuts" : hypertext link with the formatting to imitate real cuts, but taking people to another journal or another entry.

Now, however, there's a clear difference between fake cuts and real cuts. What I'd like would be a new tag, something like <fake cut text="Follow the fake cut" link="http://site.org/entry"> which could be expended like a real cut.

The only troublesome point I would see is dealing with privacy levels.

Poll #7085 Fake Cut Extender

Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 76

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Should be implemented as-is.
0 (0.0%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
6 (7.9%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
57 (75.0%)

(I have no opinion)
11 (14.5%)

(Other: please comment)
2 (2.6%)

Comments

[ratcreature]

I can't really imagine how you'd handle expanding a random page. Even with embedding of multimedia, it's fairly limited what kind of website a DW journal entry is, which is why I'm more likely to expand a cut than to click on a totally random link that can lead to a website with any content in any kind of page design. Like say someone put the link to their online store there, or a page with three frames or a gazillion javascript gadgets needed to make the navigation work. Or even just any extra site navigation present on a non-ljclone blog entry.

It would be my preference not to encourage calling links "fake cuts" in the first place but have them be just links, so that you are clear on leaving a trusted site.

[arethinn]

+1

Not just security/trust, but prettiness of the page... grabbing and including random offsite content would look pretty strange, and sounds like just asking for code to break. (And somehow this reminds me of that dumb thing LJ was doing where when you hovered over a link you got this little balloon showing what was on the other end of it. I hate that.)

It would be my preference not to encourage calling links "fake cuts" in the first place

Me too. Very much so. Never liked this language.

[azurelunatic]

Oh! Snap! Which was very cheerfully KILLED WITH FIRE on Dreamwidth. I believe that denise wielded the code-machete personally.

[matgb]

On one of my older machine, I recall figuring out where the Hosts file was to block that site completely, everywhere, their cookie storage for my "noooooo, go away" was flaky and I had dial up.

Awful, awful idea.

[montuos]

+1

[the_shoshanna]

+1

[syderia]

I actually hadn't seen this possibility.

In my mind, the "fake cut" was used to link to posts on DW (and maybe on other LJ clones / forks).

You're right that any link leaving DW needs to be marked as a link, not as a cut.

[cesy]

I could see this being okay so long as it was restricted to other DW journals, rather than off-site links.

[justhuman]

I don't think I would care for a web page from another site being displayed in a DW frame. I've never cared for the use of the term "fake cut" because Link is the appropriate word no matter how someone formats it.

[pseudomonas]

This could just about be done with an iframe maaaaybe, which would look pretty unwieldy. Otherwise it'd be a nightmare of privacy, security, javascript sanitising, CSS munging, and the transcluded page would still look awful.

Only for on site comm crossposts

[matgb]

Alternate proposal inspired by this, that I don't care enought about to propose but is linked to this, so is my 'with changes'.

Most people do the 'fake cut' thing only for when they've crossposted entries (I see it most on icon entries and fic).

So let this work, but only for entries specifically crossposted.

ie I make a post to my journal, or my icon comm. I want to promote it to a few comms within that area that allow promo link posts.

If I could make one post but have a 'fake cut' that has to display on other 'crossposts', that would then let them all link to one place (for feedback and comments) and the site would know how the expanded would work, etc.

Given large numbers of people make such crossposts, with 'fake cuts' etc already, I think they're already embedded enough into site culture that making them easier won't hurt, however I would want comm owners to be able to block 'crossposts' of this nature, given some comms don't want this sort of thing anyway.

Anyway, not a feature I'd use much either way, but if anyone likes it enough to promote it to a full suggestion, feel free. I dislike fake cuts, but I like crossposting of interesting stuff, this would work well for me.

Re: Only for on site comm crossposts

[azurelunatic]

Great minds!

Re: Only for on site comm crossposts

[axiom_of_stripe]

+1

[azurelunatic]

This sounds like it would be getting into true-crosspost territory, actually. If the technical issues could be worked out, and if it only applies to journal entries (optional: including journal entries on sites we have federation agreements with, when that becomes a thing, eventually, I hope) and clearly but unobtrusively signals where the text is coming from, then I would be all for it.

However, if someone clicked onto the entry containing the embed/fake cut/crosspost, they should be able to expand it from there also, instead of having to click into the source entry, which is the part that always bothered me when you couldn't tell the difference between a fake cut and a real one.

[instantramen]

This sounds super-handy.

[ariestess]

I mostly use the "fake cut" [really do hate that phrase, despite the fact that I used to use it far too much] when I make a post to a comm about a fic/graphics post in my journal. The link goes back to my journal, of course. And I would be quite displeased if there was a way to open that entry from my journal in another entry somewhere else. If I wanted the entry to go to that other comm, I'd have posted the entire story/graphics post there in the first place.

Nope, I'm completely against this.

[kyrielle]

I really dislike fake cuts, and wish people wouldn't do that crap to begin with.

Ignoring that, because it's like wishing the sky weren't blue (actually, right at the moment, the sky here is grey, but you know what I mean--), I could see this working for links to other Dreamwidth-hosted journal entries. But not for other types of pages.

If I expanded a "cut" to find myself staring at an embedded page of, say, some gaming site? I would be spitting mad.