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theplotbunny ([personal profile] theplotbunny) wrote in [site community profile] dw_suggestions2010-10-22 01:12 pm

smaller and simpler uploading for icons by screen reader users

Title:
smaller and simpler uploading for icons by screen reader users

Area:
icons

Summary:
I had already put in a support request after my screen reader had problems uploading pictures, and many of these are already posted as userpics on LJ, and the list of several icons was confusing and nothing would upload after trying for well over half an hour. My community won't accept anything, saying each time the picture was too big, I would like a one-at-a-time option for screen reader users to make the process less stressful and also suggest an automatic 'picture/icon re-sizer' as a secondary suggestion.

Description:
I am essentially wanting to have a one-stop one pic at a time upload instead of the listed 'pictures 1,2,3, 4 etc, as I've no idea where I am with this, and that compounded my frustration with the icon uploading process. I followed all the steps and it rejected every single icon I wished to upload.

I think the fact it kept telling me my pictures were 'all' too big, especially as many of those chosen were already uploaded on livejournal indicate something is terribly wrong here. I suggest as one medium solution, the development of a 'automatic icon resizer, this would make sure all pictures were made the right size, conversely, the capacity to host larger pictures could become 'expandable' doing the same desired thing.

I feel that would not only benefit blind people wishing to upload as I have no way of knowing the exact visual dinensions of an icon, and I am not tech minded here, but it would smooth out the process.

Specifically, I feel that the fault in the uploading process I encountered, a related issue, where I could not upload anything, needs some investigation, I am still waiting for my support request to be looked at and hope it can be fixed. I fear though, that the rejection of all pics wholesale indicates some kind of bug, or compatibility issue.

The benefits of fixing this, and providing a one at a time uploading link for screen reader users, where better informed labels, or less script dependent buttons can be used or the like, would make it easier. Simple is best, and having too many bells and whistles can inadvertantly cause a lot of pain for people like me who just wish to upload a handful of icons to use in their posts and such. I can't get a default pic no matter what I do, please help!

Poll #4947 smaller and simpler uploading for icons by screen reader users
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 31


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Should be implemented as-is.
6 (19.4%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
2 (6.5%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
0 (0.0%)

(I have no opinion)
21 (67.7%)

(Other: please comment)
2 (6.5%)

deborah: the Library of Congress cataloging numbers for children's literature, technology, and library science (Default)

[personal profile] deborah 2010-11-01 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
I tend to always be in support of any change which makes life easier for screenreader users or accessibility in general. In this case, though, I'm having trouble understanding the suggestion.

Would you help me understand what the suggestion is? I see several potential interpretations and I just want to make sure I understand them:

  1. automatic icon resizing offered as an option
  2. extremely simple icon upload page which steps througheach step of the process on a series of individual HTML pages
  3. something which would report the exact visual dimensions and/or file size of the requested icon


Forgive me for being dim; I'm just not sure what you mean by "one-stop one pic at a time".
charamei: (Default)

[personal profile] charamei 2010-11-01 12:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Likewise. I'd really appreciate some clarification here.
cesy: "Cesy" - An old-fashioned quill and ink (Default)

[personal profile] cesy 2010-11-01 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Automatic picture resizing would need to be done carefully, so that you could override manually if you wanted.

Making the error notice clearer would definitely be good, though.
azurelunatic: Vivid pink Alaskan wild rose. (Default)

[personal profile] azurelunatic 2010-11-01 03:59 pm (UTC)(link)
The current icon upload process makes it easy for visual users to either upload multiple icons at once, or to upload one at a time. It sounds as though the upload one at a time workflow on the existing page is abundantly less clear for audio users.
susanreads: my avatar, a white woman with brown hair and glasses (Default)

[personal profile] susanreads 2010-11-01 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
There's clearly a problem that needs to be fixed, but I don't know what the fix is, except that the error page needs to be clearer. Can the code detect when a screen-reader is being used and provide the info in text that is being presented visually?
deborah: the Library of Congress cataloging numbers for children's literature, technology, and library science (Default)

[personal profile] deborah 2010-11-02 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
short answer: no, not reliably.

Longer answer: there are weird little hacks with flash, but they are so unreliable as to not be worth using.

Longest answer: it's possible to design the page so that it looks right both in visual browsers and with screenreaders, and that has generally been the dreamwidth goal from day one, I think. In this case I would want to sit down with the screenreader user and work out exactly the parts that are unclear.

[personal profile] theplotbunny, would you be willing at some point to sit down with me (Skype, chat, rapid exchange of e-mails -- whatever would end up working out best), so that we could figure out which parts are unclear and clarify them? Disclaimers: I'm on coding hiatus until January, and someone else might take on this bug before then. But "error messages which are unclear to screenreader" definitely seems like a bug, not a feature request.