Stop maintainers from 'jumping' the moderation queue of a comm

[denise]

Title:
Stop maintainers from 'jumping' the moderation queue of a comm

Area:
community management, moderated posting

Summary:
If a community has moderated posting, a community admin will always jump the queue, even if they don't explicitly have the 'unmoderated posting' checkbox on. The queue should respect the "unmoderated posting" checkbox for everyone, even community admins: if an admin unchecks his/her "unmoderated posting" checkbox, their entries should go into the moderation queue just like everyone else's.

Description:
This drives me bugfuck insane in dw-suggestions *all the time* -- if I post a suggestion, I jump the queue and my entry gets posted no matter what. This messes with a lot of things if there are entries already in queue, so I have to wait until the queue is empty to write suggestions instead of putting them in whenever I think of them.

There are times when a community admin wants to bypass the moderation queue, since it would be tedious for all their entires to go through the queue, but for comms like dw-suggestions it would be nice if there were a way to keep that from happening. So, if an admin has his/her "unmoderated posting" checkbox unchecked on the Manage Members page, his/her entries should go into the queue just like everyone else's, for approval in turn.

Poll #4521 Stop maintainers from 'jumping' the moderation queue of a comm

Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 87

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Should be implemented as-is.
74 (85.1%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
3 (3.4%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
0 (0.0%)

(I have no opinion)
9 (10.3%)

(Other: please comment)
1 (1.1%)

Comments

[rebelsheart]

So I'm conflicted on this. But I've never run a community as active as dw_suggestions, and that probably colors my perceptions significantly.

I think this should be an option on the community's setting page (as opposed to the default setting for all communities) or there should be a ticky box on the update page (which is rather crowded already) to allow the entry to bypass the queue.

Most of my posts as a community admin, with the exceptions of get_your_groove_on_friday and convention_watch are administrivia posts which need to be visible ASAP. However, neither of these comms warrant the use of the approval queue (currently).

[denise]

Right -- if you wanted to keep the existing behavior, you'd just leave the admin account with "unmoderated posting" checked, and nothing would change.

[rebelsheart]

*headdesk* duh.

[havocthecat]

Hah, I am not the only person out there who uses the phrase "bugfuck insane!"

Er, yes. Um. I actually agree 100% (this is very annoying for me as a ficathon mod who participates in ficathons and wants to post to the queue like everyone else) and am voting on the poll, so there's no real need for me to comment. But.

[melannen]

I would like this, but (I am not sure if this is clear from your suggestion or not), I would like the admins to be able to choose entry-by-entry if they want to jump the queue.

That is, if I have an urgent admin-y post to make, I should be able to jump the queue without having to go into manage communities to change my setting just for the one post and then change it back. The easiest thing would be an option on the update page if I'm posting to a community I'm a mod of, but I'm not sure how much complexity that would add.

...this would also all become irrelevant if mods get the ability to post using a community/mod account; then posts from the community account could jump queue whereas mods posting from their own accounts wouldn't, and I think that'd solve the problem for everyone.

[azurelunatic]

I was imagining that if the post was urgent, I would then hop into the queue and approve myself immediately. Which is still going out of my way, but is much less brain-breaking than unsetting my settings.

(I had to deal with this exact scenario too, in my time maintaining LiveJournal's equivalent comm.)

[pauamma]

Hmm. Entry-by-entry (esp for communities like dw_suggestions where most of the posting is actually automated from the suggestions generator page, but also for other communities when using the client-server protocol) requires yet another extension to the client protocol. But it fits nicely with the idea of deferred posting and drafts that the new update makes possible, and we'll likely want to make the protocol support those, so it doesn't seem like we can do without it anyway.

Also, having the community moderation queue be the same as the draft stash for journals opens a lot of possibilities, some of which I think were discussed before in suggestions, like revisable moderated entries ("your entry is missing something required, so I'm not approving it yet, but I'm not rejecting it outright either, so you don't have to resubmit it whole, just change some stuff. Hugs and kisses -- the maintainer").

(IOW, "implement with changes")

[juliet316]

I think it should be done, but maybe with something that allows for necessary Admin posts to 'jump the queue' if need be.

[instantramen]

I'm cool with this as-is, but thoughts: if/when the mod hat bug is implemented for posts, perhaps those posts could jump the queue as official business while an administrator's normal posts can act like any other member's.

[azurelunatic]

I like that.

[azurelunatic]

Oho, so this is what you were testing. :D