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Mat Bowles ([personal profile] matgb) wrote in [site community profile] dw_suggestions2010-09-18 04:53 pm

USe variables for site scheme colours, allowing users to change their colour scheme

Title:
USe variables for site scheme colours, allowing users to change their colour scheme

Area:
Site Scheme

Summary:
Allow users to pick the colours used within their preferred site scheme, probably by setting the existing colourschemes as default variables, allowing people to skin the site as they wish without the need for many many site scheme colour scheme requests and suggestions.

Description:
Me, I love Gradation, and can handle Tropo Purple, but the rest of the colours do little for me, and I actually find Tropo Red a little offputting. I do like the paler off white background colour though, means I don't have to worry about getting a headache if I have to login from the homepage.

If the extant schemes are kept as main supported colour schemes, but users are able to change the colours to whatever they wish, this would prevent the need for extra schemes for those with different preferences, and allow people that prefer one menu structure with a different colourscheme to adapt.

I'm told a block on having different schemes is logo design, but if all logos are there as a checkbox option on that page, we can accept extra submissions of diffferent coloured logos, within reason, but people can pick shecmes that complement the logo, I'd have no problem with having the red logo on Gradation TBH, might even prefer it.

There have been at least two suggestions I've seen recently for different types of site scheme preferences, this would pretty much eliminate the need for extra schemes (and the work that entails updating each), and allow much more flexibility.

Poll #4512 USe variables for site scheme colours, allowing users to change their colour scheme
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 60


This suggestion:

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Should be implemented as-is.
48 (80.0%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
2 (3.3%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
1 (1.7%)

(I have no opinion)
9 (15.0%)

(Other: please comment)
0 (0.0%)

ninetydegrees: Art & Text: heart with aroace colors, "you are loved" (Default)

[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2010-09-22 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
(Yay! You've posted it!)

I'll repost what I said: if there are too many colors in a skin, maybe users could pick the main ones (e.g. for Tropo: content text, content bkg, content links, menu/footer bkg, menu/footer bkg links, submenu bkg, menu/footer links) and have others be derived from them.

I also want to add that I like this much better than all the previous suggestions, including my own.
azurelunatic: Vivid pink Alaskan wild rose. (Default)

[personal profile] azurelunatic 2010-09-22 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
My with-changes would actually be a stage simpler, if need be: pick a main color for Tropo, have the rest derived from it. With a few suggestions and a full color picker.
ninetydegrees: Art & Text: heart with aroace colors, "you are loved" (Default)

[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2010-09-22 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
That would work only if you can specify that you'd rather have dark on light, light on dark, low constrast, etc. Otherwise you're going to run into the same issues. I like the idea of suggesting colors very much.
kerravonsen: (Default)

[personal profile] kerravonsen 2010-09-22 12:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yes! The main reason I have Celery as my site scheme is because I loathe the colours on the other ones.
sorchasilver: A daisy (Default)

[personal profile] sorchasilver 2010-09-22 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
+1

I'm only using it because it's the only one where the colours don't strain my eyes. I don't like vertical navigation though, so I'd much rather have a different scheme in colours I can live with.
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[personal profile] snakeling 2010-09-22 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
It's the other way round for me: I prefer vertical navigation, but I hate the colours :D
kate_nepveu: sleeping cat carved in brown wood (Default)

[personal profile] kate_nepveu 2010-09-22 01:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I would absolutely adore this, more than I can possibly say. It would make DW eight million times more awesome for me.

FWIW, it would apparently not be a short-term project: http://dw-suggestions.dreamwidth.org/412880.html?thread=2493392#cmt2493392

[personal profile] lilmoka 2010-09-22 02:11 pm (UTC)(link)
That's a fantastic idea! *-*
azurelunatic: Vivid pink Alaskan wild rose. (Default)

[personal profile] azurelunatic 2010-09-22 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
This would be lovely! I can handle the existing siteschemes, but none of them quite say "home". (I'm a blue person.)
branchandroot: oak against sky (Default)

[personal profile] branchandroot 2010-09-22 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
"Blueshift" is technically in the works, but the templating system for site styles is so appallingly clunky there are just no words for what a PITA making and maintaining different site styles is.

Honestly, if the templating system could just be reformed to something sane, so the site always uses the same html, just arranged and/or colored in different ways as per style or user desires, it seems like that would fix so very many downstream problems. This one included!
branchandroot: oak against sky (Default)

[personal profile] branchandroot 2010-09-22 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
*nodnod* I'd be all about some kind of user-cookie that kept track of a handful of color settings. Then we could have the current three (or three and a half...) basic layouts for form and just slap on an extra style sheet to define colors.

Actually, that might work as both stopgap and something that will lend itself to eventual overhaul of the templates--the user-selected colors could just go into the last site style sheet in line with !important tacked on to each color, and that would do it fine as things stand.

...except with Celerity, which uses images to produce the trailing lines. Hmm. Maybe any user-selected colors applied to Celerity could trigger the inclusion of a few lines of background-image:none to take the images out.
azurelunatic: Vivid pink Alaskan wild rose. (Default)

[personal profile] azurelunatic 2010-09-22 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Cannot one rebuild images in the correct color, server-side, or would that be too much of a general strain on the system? I am thinking that at the time the colors are set, the system would check the place to see if there is already an image generated in that color, if there is not one, build one, and if there is one, use that one.
branchandroot: oak against sky (Default)

[personal profile] branchandroot 2010-09-22 07:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never really explored any of the software that can do that kind of thing, so I'm not sure. I'd be afraid of that being a really massive hit to the system when this is first implemented.
denise: Image: Me, facing away from camera, on top of the Castel Sant'Angelo in Rome (Default)

[staff profile] denise 2010-09-23 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
We could quite easily do an image swap, yeah.
azurelunatic: Vivid pink Alaskan wild rose. (Default)

[personal profile] azurelunatic 2010-09-22 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
interest: $lj::will_not_work_without_steam_radiator

That is to say, I understand this is a problem with many of the legacy systems.
kyrielle: painterly drawing of a white woman with large dark-blue-framed glasses, hazel eyes, brown hair, and a suspicious lack of blemishes (Default)

[personal profile] kyrielle 2010-09-23 05:38 am (UTC)(link)
Oh. My. God.

How have I missed noticing that interest?

LOVE it. *dying*
kyrielle: painterly drawing of a white woman with large dark-blue-framed glasses, hazel eyes, brown hair, and a suspicious lack of blemishes (Default)

[personal profile] kyrielle 2010-09-23 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
<3 <3 <3

So dead of laughter here.
denise: Image: Me, facing away from camera, on top of the Castel Sant'Angelo in Rome (Default)

[staff profile] denise 2010-09-23 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
And then I needed an interest that had some non-alphanumeric characters for testing something, and the rest was history. *g*
kyrielle: painterly drawing of a white woman with large dark-blue-framed glasses, hazel eyes, brown hair, and a suspicious lack of blemishes (Default)

[personal profile] kyrielle 2010-09-24 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
You. ROCK.

Not that I've worked on systems that seem to have similar modules, but, uh, yeah.

(Another favorite smart remark around our office involves getting water in the eye from the plumbing for the kitchen sink that's somewhere in the code. Because 'everything but the kitchen sink' clearly isn't descriptive enough.)
denise: Image: Me, facing away from camera, on top of the Castel Sant'Angelo in Rome (Default)

[staff profile] denise 2010-09-25 05:39 am (UTC)(link)
And let me guess: actual kitchen sink support is scheduled for version 2.0, but somebody built all the plumbing for it already. ;)
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[staff profile] denise 2010-09-23 03:11 am (UTC)(link)
This is in the works. It's just really realy fucking hard. :)
branchandroot: oak against sky (Default)

[personal profile] branchandroot 2010-09-23 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
I believe it! Every time I've looked at those files I back away slowly and then run screaming for the horizon.
thejeopardymaze: (Default)

Agreed

[personal profile] thejeopardymaze 2010-09-23 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
Besides, if there has to be a default logo color to be displayed in browser tabs, at least for the time being, why not just make it black? Tropo Red clashes with purple scheme that I'm using now. I never understood why it's like this, than other than possibly the desire to look as different from LJ as possible for the sake of it.
Edited 2010-09-23 00:19 (UTC)
msilverstar: (billy playing BW)

Re: Agreed

[personal profile] msilverstar 2010-09-23 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
+1 - better contrast is better for me
thejeopardymaze: (Default)

Re: Agreed

[personal profile] thejeopardymaze 2010-09-23 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
Or a soft black or very dark grey, in order to be softer on some peoples' eyes.
denise: Image: Me, facing away from camera, on top of the Castel Sant'Angelo in Rome (Default)

Re: Agreed

[staff profile] denise 2010-09-23 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
Besides, if there has to be a default logo color to be displayed in browser tabs, at least for the time being, why not just make it black?

Because the reds are DW's colors, and part of DW's brand. The red is not going to ever change as default, ever.

I never understood why it's like this, than other than possibly the desire to look as different from LJ as possible for the sake of it.

We got the logo in a multitude of colors from our designer. I hated Mark's first choice; he hated mine. What we have now was both of our second choices, which we agreed upon without further argument.

The red might not be to your taste, but it is something that a lot of other people like, and I'm getting more than a little tired of people intimating that it's the ugliest thing ever and nobody likes it and we should all have our eyeballs scooped out for daring to put those colors together. It's not to your taste; that's fine. Other people like it. Your taste is not universal.
thejeopardymaze: (Default)

Re: Agreed

[personal profile] thejeopardymaze 2010-09-23 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
The red is not going to ever change as default, ever...

But are you at least ever going to consider giving people a choice (at least tab-wise), ie, making it easy to modify when they log in?


and I'm getting more than a little tired of people intimating that it's the ugliest thing ever and nobody likes it and we should all have our eyeballs scooped out for daring to put those colors together.

If you notice a lot of people complaining about about a feature, that might be a hint. Just sayin'.


It's not to your taste; that's fine. Other people like it. Your taste is not universal.

I never said it was, and I have a right to complain (granted, with limits of course, I'm not interested in trolling about it).
Edited 2010-09-23 03:45 (UTC)
denise: Image: Me, facing away from camera, on top of the Castel Sant'Angelo in Rome (Default)

Re: Agreed

[staff profile] denise 2010-09-23 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
But are you at least ever going to consider giving people a choice (at least tab-wise), ie, making it easy to modify when they log in?

I am not sure what you mean "tab-wise". If you mean the favicon, then no, there are no plans to change that. If you hate it as much as you say you do, you should adblock the image; it won't be changing.

I never said it was, and I have a right to complain (granted, with limits of course, I'm not interested in trolling about it).

I think you have more than made your point.
thejeopardymaze: (Default)

Browser tabs

[personal profile] thejeopardymaze 2010-09-23 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
I think you have more than made your point.

I think I have too, but honestly I don't think you are really listening to people.

Re: Browser tabs

[personal profile] zaluzianskya 2010-09-24 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
A site's favicon is there to quickly identify it at just a glance. It defeats the purpose if it's something different for everyone who looks at it.
msilverstar: (corset)

[personal profile] msilverstar 2010-09-23 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
A few color change options would make me happy.

ETA: and a default font size option! Tiny text is really hard for me to read.
Edited 2010-09-23 02:11 (UTC)
kyrielle: painterly drawing of a white woman with large dark-blue-framed glasses, hazel eyes, brown hair, and a suspicious lack of blemishes (Default)

[personal profile] kyrielle 2010-09-23 05:42 am (UTC)(link)
Until the massive overhaul is done, I'd love this, but I'd add - let me pick from among the logo images that are sized/shaped for the layout type (vertical or horizontal) that I'm working with. That way if I think the purple Dreamwidth goes better with my colors I can use it, and if I think the red one goes better, I can use it.

I'd especially like that because I'm using purple because I find the all-red too intense...but I LOVE the logo in red and would like to get it back (although probably not side-by-side with purple, but with some other colorset that went well with red).
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[personal profile] keepcalmhyrule 2011-12-24 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
I would love to use the tropo-purple style, but with green instead. The muted not-quite white is great because of my dyslexia (straight up black on white and white on black make word confusion worse for me). But Green is my favorite color <3