Allow some cut tags to work on the entry page

[kyrielle]

Title:
Allow some cut tags to work on the entry page

Area:
entries

Summary:
Currently, cut tags only work in non-entry view (reading page, recent entries, day view). All cut tags are immediately opened on the entry page. Allow some cut tags to still be present on the entry page, expanding via the arrow or a link to another page.

Description:
From the news post, "Here's a nifty trick which may not be immediately obvious: you can nest your cut tags, which I've heard can work for things like having multiple layers of warnings. ... The nesting only works if you expanded the outermost cut dynamically. If you visit the entry directly, all the contents of all the cut tags are immediately visible."

I can think of cases where it might be nice to have the cut tag remain on the entry page, most specifically to allow protection of not-safe-for-work or spoileriffic content even if people are linked directly. (Link to the day is a good workaround for that, provided the person hasn't posted too much for one day - but it's an extra step to get it and many people might not bother.)

This was previously suggested and rejected at http://dw-suggestions.dreamwidth.org/28561.html - however, I am proposing an alternate implementation (half from the comments on that post, half based on the new functionality).

What I propose is both of the following:

1. Add the ability to retrieve a link to a post that treats it as though it were on the day page, but includes only that post. http://dw-suggestions.dreamwidth.org/28561.html?style=cut for example. The cut links on that page would act just as they do on any other page where they appear, with the arrow allowing expansion and the cut link taking you to the main entry page of http://dw-suggestions.dreamwidth.org/28561.html where the full text would display. This would be a link that the viewer could manually retrieve (next to the "link" link should be a "cut link" option when there are one or more cut tags in the post), and wouldn't affect any other page.

2. Possibly - and this one may be the more questionable of the two - add the ability for me as an author to state that I want a cut tag to display even on the main entry page. In that case, the arrow would open it up, and the link would go to the same page with ?style=showall (http://dw-suggestions.dreamwidth.org/28561.html?style=showall) which would show everything, not the cut tag. This would let me as the author of a post enter <cut text="Display text here" show="always"> - if I don't fill in the show= value, or if I put anything other than 'always' in there, it acts as cut tags always have.

I think this allows for good control of cut tags and display, without adding options that have to be chased down in settings, and without altering the behavior of any existing pages (or requiring any alterations in user behavior to continue to use existing functionality).

Poll #3372 Allow some cut tags to work on the entry page

Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 39

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Should be implemented as-is.
13 (33.3%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
8 (20.5%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
9 (23.1%)

(I have no opinion)
9 (23.1%)

(Other: please comment)
0 (0.0%)

Comments

[zvi]

I don't like option 2 at all, because it changes the operation of the cut tag with no warning to the viewer.

And I don't think we need a ten millionth entry interaction link on entries; the entry interaction line is already really long. Yes, I know that this will hurt the cutview's discoverability, but I think the cutlink hurts overall usability for not that much additional usability.

[cesy]

+1

[yvi]

I agree with zvi that there are already too many links. Implementing stuff without having a direct link to it isn't good, but I am seriously not seeing how to avoid the clutter with this. Or completey confusing people who are new.

Don't like option 2.

[msilverstar]

I like #1 quite a lot, with an explicit "style=cut"

[afuna]

I like #1, yes.

[noracharles]

I voted "shouldn't be implemented", but having option 1 wouldn't bother me.

Generally I think that if an author does not want certain content displayed in a entry because it's nsfw or spoilery or triggery or any other reason, then they should not put that content there.

But practically, I'm not too worried that anyone is going to be using the style=cut functionality instead of linking to a different entry with appropriate warnings or greying out.

Question: If style=cut is enabled, will we be able to look at an entry in style=cut&style=mine ?

[aveleh]

I like the idea of allowing logged-in users to set a default as to whether or not they want cut-tags to be preserved on entry pages. And then, if I've chosen to preserve them, if I follow a cut-tag to an entry page, it only/automatically expands that one.

I think that this should definitely be a viewer-preference and not an author-preference.

[susanreads]

+1

[matgb]

This, pretty much,

I think allowing a nested cut to remain cut in an entry page, with the opening arrow clear, would be good, I've linked to day pages on occasions for that reason, but I'd understand if some would really hate it.

You'd still get people putting cut text in and not duplicating, and wondering why people are asking questions not answered in the post itself, only in cut text, or similar, but that's user stupidity.

I like the suggestion overall, but not sure on the proposed implementations.

[zvi]

This sounds okay to me.

[aedifica]

I like #2 a lot. #1 would be OK with me too.