Default View/Default filters should be, well, default

[triadruid]

Title:
Default View/Default filters should be, well, default

Area:
reading list, access circle, subscription

Summary:
When you grant someone access to your journal, they should be be added to the 'Default' access filter automatically without any user action. Likewise, the 'Default View' reading filter should automatically be updated, if it exists.

Description:
It's possible that I've done something wrong in setting them up, but I found it incredibly counterintuitive that the slew of people I just added to my reading list/circle of friends was not added to my default reading/trust filters. I thought no one was posting all day!

This becomes especially important if you use the hover menu, since it doesn't have the optional filters section that the full page version at /manage/circle/add has.

Poll #1919 Default View/Default filters should be, well, default

Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 39

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Should be implemented as-is.
17 (43.6%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
10 (25.6%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
4 (10.3%)

(I have no opinion)
7 (17.9%)

(Other: please comment)
1 (2.6%)

Comments

[branchandroot]

Caveat: automatically is fine when using the hover, and when someone is added using the full page the "Default View" filter should, perhaps, be already checked if it exists. But the Default filter absolutely must remain visible and manipulable on the full page, no hiding it or assuming that it should only appear when editing someone's circle status.

(This probably doesn't actually need to be said since I think it's the same page that's used in both cases, but I wanted to make sure this was clear: I support this one only as long as the full page still shows me the option and I can undo the default if I want.)

[triadruid]

Yes, absolutely! Keep the option to uncheck it, but don't make me remember to have to go back and do a second and third page edit for what is supposed to be my default option...

[celtic_maenad]

yes, like this.

[zvi]

The way that LJ does it, and the way that I would prefer we do it, is that, if you add someone and you have filters set up, the adding process asks which, if any, filters one wants to add a journal/community to.

The Default part of the Default filters is an assumption about what you want to read and who you want to have access, but there's no particular reason to assume that any future additions to your circle are supposed to be default.

[pseudomonas]

Yes, this one.

[aveleh]

*nods* But LJ does automatically check "Default View" and leave the rest unchecked, which is how I think it should be. Control to change it, but "default" should be default :)

(I cannot tell if we're agreeing or not, so I'm just clarifying my position.)

[cesy]

+1

[kyrielle]

+1

[msilverstar]

glad you pointed that out, I had the wrong assumption, I wonder how many other people do too.

[aedifica]

+1

[noracharles]

+1

[yvi]

if you add someone and you have filters set up, the adding process asks which, if any, filters one wants to add a journal/community to.

Do you mean this: http://dw-suggestions.dreamwidth.org/145253.html ?

(I ask because that's how I understand your comment, but that has actually already been implemented and is only not available for the hover button. So maybe you meant something else.)

[zvi]

Yes, I like the way we already have it! (I don't know that I've added anyone outside the hover menu since that went live, so I didn't realize we had the functionality.)

[triadruid]

See, this makes no sense to me. If something is my 'Default' filter (for either circle), it should be checked by, well, default. I can see the argument for greater control, but this is just obfuscation for no real purpose in my view.

[zvi]

Okay, your default view is the one you get when you load you.dreamwidth.org/read, it's the stuff you want to see every time you load you're reading page.

But let's say you also have a filter for people you think are idiots and want to keep an eye on, and one for cooking stuff, and one for computer stuff, and one for fiction.

There's no reason the software should make the assumption that the next journal you add to read is one you want to read every day, as opposed to a cooking journal you only want to read when you're trying to plan a graduation dinner.

[triadruid]

But right now it's not adding it to my everyday reading filter, "Default View". Maybe it's a bug and this functionality works for other people, but it did it to me again today so it's consistent for this account, at least. I don't have the slightest idea how to test it.

[kyrielle]

Right - and if it did add it to the "default view" filter when you added someone, then when you added something that was a cooking journal and it added it to your default view, it would have done the opposite of what you wanted. Some people want default view to be inclusive and have new accounts go into it unless they say not to (I would be one of those, and it sounds like you would as well), but others don't want that since they use so many filters, and their default view may actually be something they now rarely add to.

[triadruid]

Okay. We have totally different definitions of 'default' then, and we'll have to leave it at that.

[charmian]

An option to do this would be fine, but I would like to control who gets added to my default filter manually.

[ratcreature]

There is a default view reading filter? I know it on LJ, but DW never seems to have created one for me, though I have made other subscription filters. Do you need to do this manually somehow?

[zvi]

Yes, you create a filter called "Default View" (including the spaces and capital letters) and it works just like the other filters.

[denise]

Or "Default".

[azurelunatic]

Remember that weird corner case thing on LJ where fiddlingfrog and I found out that a non-capitalized "default view" filter was not autochecked? I wonder if DW inherited any of that.

[triadruid]

Possible, but mine is double capitalized, which AFAIK is the correct way to do it.

[azurelunatic]

I do believe it is.

[cesy]

I think they should be added automatically to the default view if you use the hover menu to add them, and give you the option (i.e. checked by default but can uncheck if wanted) on the full adding menu.

[pne]

+1

[azurelunatic]

I've been going on the assumption that it worked like LJ's and default was default for months. I have no idea how much I've missed.

[azurelunatic]

(This is actually at just under quit-the-site urgency for me. I should probably turn off the contextual hover menu until/unless this is implemented, because I use that all the time to add people, and I see I commented here so I *knew* it was happening ... and I didn't know it until I discovered it again. The lack of this breaks my expectations and breaks my use of the site.)

[baggyeyes]

Should this be in suggestions, or filed as a bug?

[azurelunatic]

I pinged Support about it, because I was similarly unsure, and was referred to this suggestion.

It really comes down to who's going to get inconvenienced more, the people who don't want all new people added to the default reading filter, or the people who do.

Being affected by it as I am, I think the impact is worse this way.


Or, heck, it could be a setting in the reading filters setup: "Auto-check this on adding new person?"

[triadruid]

This is still happening. A friend who just migrated wrote (paraphrasing slightly for privacy), "Why is it here on DW if you and I are mutually subscribed you do not show up on my reading page? Nothing but DW's news and one post from M are on my reading page. Hmmm"

[denise]

This shouldn't be happening -- we put in a fix for it a long time ago. Is your friend running into the problem with posts over 14 days old not appearing on the friends page?

If they continue having problems, have them open a support request -- Support can help troubleshoot.

[triadruid]

It appears to have miraculously cleared itself up the next day, so it may be New User Error... she says she didn't do anything different. *shrug*

[baggyeyes]

There should be a 'Default' filter setup for every user - maybe not the communities, but the users. It isn't set up to create filters automatically.

[martzin]

+1