"Remove LJ cut" button in the RTE

[cesy]

Title:
"Remove LJ cut" button in the RTE

Area:
rte, posting

Summary:
"Remove LJ-cut" feature/button in the RTE.

Description:
Give Rich Text Mode a ‘Remove LJ-cut’ button as well as the existing "Add LJ-cut" button, as the current editor makes it nearly impossible to move LJ-cuts without completely messing up an entry.

(I know the RTE is pretty horrible code-wise, but we need an RTE of some sort for those who don't know HTML, so unless we're planning to rewrite it completely from scratch, making improvements is still worthwhile.)

(Original LJ suggestion: http://community.livejournal.com/suggestions/884432.html)

Poll #1108 "Remove LJ cut" button in the RTE

Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 35

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Should be implemented as-is.
12 (34.3%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
2 (5.7%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
4 (11.4%)

(I have no opinion)
15 (42.9%)

(Other: please comment)
2 (5.7%)

Comments

[yvi]

I don't use the RTE, but if it possible to add something, it should also be possible to remove it without creating a mess, I suppose.

[zarhooie]

TITS AGAINST THE RTE.

I think that at this point in time, the RTE is so cluttered that adding yet *another* option would make things worse, not better. Furthermore, people using the RTE generally are not the most technically savvy folks in the entire world and I can not think of a way to dumb this feature down enough to where they'd understand and be able to use it.

[susanreads]

The cut feature in the RTE is not user-friendly as it is (I couldn't get it to put the cut text and a newline in the right place). I think it would be easier to change to the HTML editor and find the cut instructions.

[zvi]

I would probably call it "Close Cut", because removing it sounds as if there would be no cut at all.

[zvi]

Except that you're not deathly afraid of the HTML editor, as people who use the RTE often are.

[instantramen]

I just went to play around in the RTE to see for myself, and yeah, people who use it on a regular basis should definitely have a way to get rid of cuts they don't want anymore.

[owl]

I have my doubts that anything about the RTE can actually be changed without causing the whole thing to break horribly. Tits against it.

[cleverthylacine]

Tits against the RTE!

People who use the RTE are frequently people whose uncut entries I do not want appearing on my fpage. In my layout. With their colour and size choices of fonts, &c.

[rebelsheart]

fix rather than remove.

[triadruid]

I'm not sure at this point that it IS worth editing the current RTE, as each change threatens to break something else, and the whole thing becomes bloated and even moer confusing.

Also, are you talking about reversing the addition of a cut, or closing the cut?

[cesy]

I was talking about reversing the addition of a cut.

I've heard lots of people say things like that, but never any response to the question of "Okay, so then what?" If it's not worth editing the current RTE, do we rewrite it from scratch, and how would that actually end up better? We need some sort of RTE for all the people who don't know HTML, and we should make sure it is functional and works and is kept up-to-date. If we're not going to do that with the current one, then we need to get a new one.

[velocitygrass]

I agree with this. I don't use the RTE, but I see the need for people not comfortable enough with HTML.

If people say the RTE is clunky and changing it will only make it worse, I will believe them, however, that's not an answer to the question "How can we improve the situation?"

[triadruid]

I never said we shouldn't get a new one. I just don't think removing the 'quirks' in the current one, or substituting new quirks for old ones, in the name of kludging on additional features, is a particularly good use of the developer's energy (me, I don't know bupkis about RTEs, so I can't help there, but I do know from UI).