Community polls should not be affected by personal journal bannings

[zvi]

Title:
Community polls should not be affected by personal journal bannings

Area:
Polls, banning, interpersonal interaction

Summary:
If someone posts a poll in a community, anyone they have banned from their personal journal is unable to respond to the poll, even if they are full member of the community and able to respond to the entry in which the poll is posted.

Description:
If you ban someone from your personal journal and you post an entry in a community, the person you have banned from your personal journal is still able to comment on the community entry.

In the same way, a person you have banned from your personal journal should not be able to vote on polls in your personal journal, but should still have access to polls in a community journal. This is especially important as paid communities often use polls for administrative business, and this penalizes community members for disputes elsewhere, without any notice at all.

The only real drawback would be that someone from whom you didn't wish communication could write something you didn't like in a text response in the poll, but, since they could already write something displeasurable in the comments of any entry you made in the community for which commenting was available, this is not much of a drawback.

Poll #2122 Community polls should not be affected by personal journal bannings

Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 51

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Should be implemented as-is.
47 (92.2%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
0 (0.0%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
1 (2.0%)

(I have no opinion)
2 (3.9%)

(Other: please comment)
1 (2.0%)

Comments

[kaigou]

Wait. I'm not sure I get the logic of the existing setup.

A bans B.

A makes post in personal journal. B cannot reply.
A makes poll in personal journal. B cannot vote.

But... am I reading you right that:

A makes post in community journal. B can reply.
A makes poll in community journal. B can not vote.

Is there a different set of logic for polls, based on the creator, instead of being based on the community the poll is created in? That's really how it works? *baffled*

[matgb]

Polls have always been user tied, IIRC it used to be that a free user couldn't post a poll in a paid comm, which was really pointless, given paid comms get virtually no benefits.

[yvi]

Polls can be 'reused/reposted'. For example, this: http://yvi.dreamwidth.org/86382.html is an entry I posted a few days ago. I went in to edit it and could just copy the poll ID to a new place: http://yvi-writes.dreamwidth.org/10525.html

That's the same poll, not just a copy of it. If you vote in the comm, the vote also appears in my journal. So what if I banned you from my journal?

It's Complicated :)

[turlough]

Oh. That definitely complicates matters.

[pauamma]

Hmm. I think in the long term, polls should become detached objects, not tied to a journal or an entry.

[foxfirefey]

A free admin/maintainer could post a poll to a paid comm--but that's a rather small benefit, yes.

[yvi]

Isn't that basically how it is now and why I can repost it?

Related: I am not sure, but if I gave you the poll ID of my poll, could you repost it?

[yvi]

*headdesks* And of course I could test that myself and just reposted the poll from this entry to my personal journal.

[pauamma]

Kinda. A poll is still (IIRC) attached to the entry it was first posted in, even though it's a separate object. If you answer a poll through another entry than its home entry, I think you don't get the same behavior (IIRC, you can't see who voted, even if you would normally be able to - although it may be due to entry security).

A related consideration is that polls are clustered on DW, and poll IDs may (not sure - I haven't checked the source) no longer be unique systemwide. (That is, if you and I are on different clusters, we may have different polls with the same ID.) This means that when a user is moved between clusters, that user's polls may need to be renumbered and the matching entries munged accordingly, which becomes much harder if you support crossposting/reposting in the same journal, let alone in other journals.