allowing linking to entry while preserving cut tags (resubmit)

[kate_nepveu]

Title:
allowing linking to entry while preserving cut tags (resubmit)

Area:
entries

Summary:
There are multiple circumstances in which it would be useful to link to an entry but preserve its cut tags. There should be a URL argument that allows this, such as ?cut=true.

Description:
This is a resubmit with modifications of http://dw-suggestions.dreamwidth.org/355791.html , which received 12 as-is votes, 8 with-changes votes, 9 shouldn't votes, and 9 no-opinion votes. The resubmit was discussed here http://dw-suggestions.dreamwidth.org/535357.html?thread=3537981#cmt3537981 , though on reading the original suggestion more closely, it appears to have been submitted very shortly after the ability to inline expand cut tags was implemented.

As discussed in the prior suggestion, it would often be useful to link to a post with its cut-tags intact: if the cuts were for spoilers, for instance, or to warn of potentially triggering material. Linking to the day view is a workaround for this, but may require the reader to scroll through other entries.

A link of the form "http://username.dreamwidth.org/permalink.html?cut=true" (or some other URL argument) should display the entry with cut tags intact, ideally in the style that the entry would otherwise be in except for the expandable cut tags. However, if implementing expandable cut tags in Tropo (for instance) were too difficult, cut=true could link to the entry as it would appear in the day view, except by itself of course.

Discussion in the prior rejected suggestion centered on two topics: first, people were concerned about an additional suggestion that an author be able to mandate cut tags even when using the permalink. That is not being suggested here: the permalink to the entry would act as it always has, showing the full entry. Second, people were concerned about the suggestion that users could be notified that this link type was available by adding a "cut link" next to the "link" on the line that contains "link," "reply," etc. That is also not being suggested here, since the option to link as "?format=light" is also not included in that line. Instead, the availability should be documented in the same place and manner as "?format=light" is (which, err, is probably a suggestion for another day).

Poll #8412 allowing linking to entry while preserving cut tags (resubmit)

Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 70

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Should be implemented as-is.
57 (81.4%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
1 (1.4%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
0 (0.0%)

(I have no opinion)
12 (17.1%)

(Other: please comment)
0 (0.0%)

Comments

[eruthros]

I would love this so much - right now I use an individual, specific tag for every entry that I want to link to with cut tags intact, which is a pain (and not really an ideal use of tags).

[kate_nepveu]

Goodness me, I should think so (and not)!

[axiom_of_stripe]

I would really like to have this; I'm not crazy about having to directly manipulate the URL, but I'd be okay with it (largely because I suspect that once it's in place at all, it will become popular enough that there will be more discussion on easier UI!).

[kate_nepveu]

Yeah, I got really stumped on that.

I know there are places that do popups for "share" that expose a bunch of different links; maybe there could be something that would expose different URL arguments?

[matgb]

Easily done in S2, so could be added as an option in advanced styles or similar, not sure how big the use case would need to be for it to be a generally popular option though.

Personally I have no opinion as I dislike it when Cuts are used for anything other than summary or to hide large/possibly problematic images &c, if the cut text is part of your actual content, my personal reacion is you're doing it wrong, but it's not up to me to decide how tools should be used.

[kate_nepveu]

Actually, wait, we have a "share"/"tell someone" option already, maybe it could be folded into that? (I'd hate to have it limited to S2 since I use site-scheme comment pages.)

[matgb]

Aye, the buttons I've got on my layout are intended as a replacement/update to that button but I never really finished the work, if we do properly code our own 'share' buttons that work on all pages, then including it would be dead easy if the syntax is similar to what's suggested.

Now I've got a properly functioning computer again and have almost finished moving house, so I'll get back to it soon, hopefully possibly maybe...

[kate_nepveu]

Cool.

[ratcreature]

Not that it's necessarily against having an URL for an individual cut entry but fwiw, you can already link to a specific entry if there are several in the day view, because the entries have individual anchors on the page. Like this: http://ratcreature.dreamwidth.org/2011/04/23/#entry-411795 links directly to the third entry I made that day with the cut-tag intact.

[kate_nepveu]

Ah! "Page summary" module will expose those!

Cool, thanks, though I still want this suggestion.

[pauamma]

But if that entry is deleted, suspended, or otherwise not accessible to the viewer (changed security, not logged in, etc.), they will get the latest entry for that day instead, with no warning that this isn't the entry meant. Not ideal.