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elusiveat ([personal profile] elusiveat) wrote in [site community profile] dw_suggestions2009-11-11 11:52 pm

html and OpenID

Title:
html and OpenID

Area:
OpenID

Summary:
I think you're going to develop a more receptive user base if you give OpenID folks the ability to use html in comments.

Description:
I recently had some OpenID folks expressing unhappiness with their inability to use html in a thread in my journal. I've already met with quite a bit of resistance to my decision to switch to dreamwidth from livejournal, and I suspect that others are meeting with similar resistance. I don't know whether OpenID is handled differently when posting to paid accounts (I do have a second account that is paid but have not done much with it so far). I think that at minimum you should try to fix this for paid account users, but will do best to elliminate the problem entirely.

Here's the thread: http://elusiveat.dreamwidth.org/325169.html?thread=1730609#cmt1730609

Note: I chose not to report this as a bug because I don't know whether it was a deliberate design decision.

Poll #1690 html and OpenID
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 42


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Should be implemented as-is.
13 (31.0%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
15 (35.7%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
11 (26.2%)

(I have no opinion)
2 (4.8%)

(Other: please comment)
1 (2.4%)

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[staff profile] denise 2009-11-12 05:09 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, this: there's no verification mechanism for proving that a particular OpenID service isn't controlled by spammers, and so links are treated like anonymous users' links (which are also link-stripped) to prevent boosting pagerank. (90% of spam is to boost search engine results via linking.)

I let the suggestion through so that people can discuss whether or not that should be changed, but given the prevalence of spam on the internet (and yes, a lot of it is OpenID spam, because many services treat an OpenID account like a verified account -- which is precisely why we don't, not exactly) I really, really, really don't think it'll change without good reason.
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[personal profile] zvi 2009-11-12 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
DW's move has been to treat validated OpenID's more and more like user accounts. Would that be an acceptable compromise, to allow validated OpenID's to post links. (They could still be automatically appended w/ noindex, nofollow.)
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[personal profile] afuna 2009-11-12 05:18 am (UTC)(link)
For reasons that you and [staff profile] denise, I think that at the very least, only validated OpenID accounts should be allowed to post links.

If we want to be a bit more strict, perhaps also require that the journal that the openid user is commenting in have granted access to that openid user? That leaves communities as well,though. Hm.

I like the idea of noindex/nofollow! I don't know if the spammers will be paying attention to whether those attributes are present, and decide on that basis if it's worth posting links, but we won't lose anything in either case.


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[personal profile] pauamma 2009-11-12 02:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Seconded, on all counts. (And I thought identity accounts with validated email addresses could do that already? Or am I thinking of something else?)
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[personal profile] afuna 2009-11-12 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope. Maybe to you were thinking of being able to comment on entries that block anonymous comments?
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[personal profile] pauamma 2009-11-12 03:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, probably.
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[personal profile] cesy 2009-11-12 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I also thought that OpenID accounts with validated email addresses could already post links, and I think they should be able to.
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[personal profile] triadruid 2009-11-12 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed. Provided that we (and by we, I mean DW) can cut off an OpenID server if it starts to validate badly, this seems a good compromise.

Then again, will that let through spammers from (forex) LJ?
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[personal profile] cesy 2009-11-12 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
"Validated email addresses" is validation on DW's side, so that shouldn't be a problem. In order to post links, someone would need to validate their email address on DW, regardless of what their OpenID server was, so this should stop spammers.
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[personal profile] triadruid 2009-11-12 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, that makes more sense.
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[personal profile] matgb 2009-11-12 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Comms would be a problem, but also I have a combined public/private blog, which, when I'm posting, has a fairly high readership--I don't want to pick and choose who gets to put links in my posts, and certainly don't want to be granting access to political opponents who I'm happy to talk to.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2009-11-12 06:27 am (UTC)(link)
I do like this idea.
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[personal profile] cesy 2009-11-12 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, this sounds like the best solution.
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[personal profile] miss_s_b 2009-11-12 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
This. I have a lot of openID commenters from other political blogs, and they have expressed annoyance with this.
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[personal profile] matgb 2009-11-12 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
From my persepctive, [personal profile] miss_s_b gets a lot of comments from non-LJ bloggers, we're trying to promote OpenID logins and similar.

If I comment on a WP or Blogger blog, I can put in a link to back up an argument. If they come back to comment here, they can't.

From feedback from friends, that's a real discouragement for them to continue discussions here--on LJ we'd both regularly get 50+ comment threads, on here we don't, partially because some users are put off.

We need, at the least, to allow validated accounts to comment properly. If you want to promote DW as a blogging platform that supports interoperability.

I, as a DW user with a paid account, find it really annoying that I can't click links put into Jennie's comment box by personal friends that we trust implicitly, just because they blog elsewhere, and we're encouraging OpenID use.

The friends that take the time to hand code the links find it even more annoying.

[identity profile] nablacdotu.livejournal.com 2009-11-12 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
to prevent boosting pagerank

rel=nofollow?