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solarbird ([personal profile] solarbird) wrote in [site community profile] dw_suggestions2017-04-08 07:40 pm

"Activity"-like view of 1st page of Inbox, in a dropdown, from Navigation Strip

Title:
"Activity"-like view of 1st page of Inbox, in a dropdown, from Navigation Strip

Area:
navigation strip, messaging

Summary:
It is currently very easy to configure your Inbox to serve as an activity notification hub. It would be very useful to have a shorted version of the first page of that Inbox be accessible via a dropdown on the Navigation Strip, and allow some manipulation of your Inbox via that dropdown.

Description:
Each line of the proposed dropdown would contain a one line description of the activity. (N replied to [your post|comment], N messaged you, subject "", N posted to group X, and so on). Each entry would contain an "x" dismissal button which would delete the notification from both the Inbox and the dropdown. Clicking on an individual entry outside of the dismissal button would take you to the item about which you are being notified - the message, the comment made, etc - and mark it as read. A "see all" entry at the bottom of the dropdown could take you to the current Inbox view. Currently, using the Inbox as a notification centre results in large numbers of page swaps and reloads, as you go from Inbox to post to Inbox to reply form to Inbox etc., etc., etc., with mark-as-read and delete-item as separate actions across separate pages. Further, it is difficult to maintain (de-clutter, etc) without engaging in that maintenance as a separate task. As a result, those of us who have this issue end up with over-full Inboxes that we tend to bulk-delete. This suggested feature would allow us both to use our Inbox more easily and maintain it more effectively, resulting in improved usability of the service and - hopefully - fewer notifications being stored on the servers.

Poll #18205 "Activity"-like view of 1st page of Inbox, in a dropdown, from Navigation Strip
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 31


This suggestion:

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Should be implemented as-is.
6 (19.4%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
5 (16.1%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
5 (16.1%)

(I have no opinion)
15 (48.4%)

(Other: please comment)
0 (0.0%)

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Re: thoughts on a more substantial change

[staff profile] denise 2017-04-25 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
Ha, yeah, sorry, I have to keep PMs turned off or else I get a bunch of requests for technical support or site help that just wind up sitting there when I have a three-day "ugh I can't sit up long enough to grab my laptop and type" thing like the last three days have been... (You can email me, though -- denise@dreamwidth.org.)

These look amazing and I personally love them. Lemme throw them to our senior volunteers and see what they think. (I would like to keep the style selector as top-level links, though; links are easier than a dropdown selector, and since those options are there for accessibility, it's good to keep them as easy/quickly reachable as possible.)

At this point, I gots two requests for you:

1) Can you send me a signed contributor licensing agreement? (The CLA is a bidirectional ass-covering document: it protects us from ever getting sued because we're using something that someone else came up with, and it protects you from us ever coming to you and saying "this thing you did had a bug and we're suing you because it caused problems" or "you sent us this thing and now you're stuck giving us support for it/maintaining it for us for the rest of your life". It also makes it very clear that you're not signing over copyright/ownership to your creations, just a permanent and irrevocable license to use and redistribute your creations, so everything is very clear about who owns what.)

2). Then, join [site community profile] dw_dev if you want -- that's our development community -- and [site community profile] dw_design, which hasn't been used in ages but I'd like to resurrect, so we can get this discussion out of the comments of a single [site community profile] dw_suggestions suggestion. :)
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Re: thoughts on a more substantial change

[staff profile] denise 2017-04-25 07:08 am (UTC)(link)

Absolutely! That was going to be my next step, once I ran it past the senior volunteers. (Just because I love something doesn't mean that my opinion is necessarily the same as others', so I didn't want to post to dw-design before getting a few other thumbs-up first. But the people who've weighed in so far all like it.)

If you want to write up a brief explanation of the various views and what they do, and toss me a second version of the mobile mockups, I can post them to dw-design for you. (I don't want to ask you to post directly, because feedback can get really heated, so usual practice is for me to post it instead so you don't get the comment notifications and have to choose to go read the feedback. But if you'd prefer to post it yourself, you totally can -- posting is open to all members.) Then, I'll link to the dw-design post in our next news post to get more eyeballs + more feedback.

I definitely like the idea of linking to the Latest Things page. The "trending tags" is a little more hit-or-miss (as you've probably noticed); it's not a very smart calculation, and because of caching, sometimes it highlights a tag that doesn't actually have any entries in it...

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Re: thoughts on a more substantial change

[staff profile] denise 2017-04-26 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
Love. Love, omg, love. (Everybody who's weighed in on them so far has also loved, btw.) The design/guideline docs are fucking awesome, too, holy shiiiiiit can we keep you?

I'll write up a draft dw-design post laying out the reasons for the change/introducing the mockups and run it by you in email to give me thumbs up/thumbs down on -- probably won't be tonight (catching up on other shit) but if we get it posted by Monday, I'll be able to include it in the next news post. Can you drop me an email (denise@dreamwidth.org) now just so I know what's the best email to use for you? (Also because my email server will impose delivery delays as an antispam feature if it's the first time someone's emailed me from that domain, and looking at your confirmed DW address, you might run into that; better to get started on waiting out the greylisting now.)
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Re: thoughts on a more substantial change

[staff profile] denise 2017-04-27 11:03 am (UTC)(link)

And I have fished it out of my spam folder after thinking "huh, I should have gotten that by now"!

Journal styles are more complicated than site pages, but we can definitely talk about that too! (We do have Mobility, a style that's designed to work well on mobile, but there's still a ton of stuff we can do; we've just been limited by a lack of designers and by a large percentage of the site still being in the old custom templating language that Brad dreamed up even before LJ existed. We're converting it, but sloooowly.) 

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Re: thoughts on a more substantial change

[staff profile] denise 2017-04-28 03:54 am (UTC)(link)

Ha! Yeah, go ahead and make one and then drop me the username, I'll give it some paid time. (Or you could get an account on our hosted-developer-environments service, but a full dev environment might be overkill for you...)

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Re: thoughts on a more substantial change

[staff profile] denise 2017-04-28 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
And I hit up the account with paid time, so you'll be able to create plenty of styles and such!

We aren't wedded to Practicality/Neutral Good as a default style, btw -- we used to run polls every six-to-nine months for the userbase to decide on what the default style for new accounts should be, but we haven't done it for a while because it's kind of a pain and there's always eight billion other things further up the list. So we can always change it. I like the first look at it and will do a full accessibility review when I get a chance!

(A lot of stuff may also be doable at the system layer without needing all that CSS, too, but I am soooo not the person to look into that; [personal profile] momijizukamori does a lot of our CSS-to-S2 conversions. I'll page her in.)
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[personal profile] momijizukamori 2017-04-29 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
D pointed me here - as she says, I'm one of the three or so people who've done the most digging around in the S2 system, as well as some digging in other sitescheme pages. I will also make grabby-hands, because I'm pretty comfortable writing code but like, design is hard and stuff, and having someone interested in that is a huge boon. I also don't use DW on mobile much so I'm a little out of touch with the problems there and what the right fixes are.
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[personal profile] momijizukamori 2017-04-29 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)

For sure - though we probably can't make any changes to the desktop view and keep it the same layout, because current users will notice a 2px change in where something is, and they will revolt :P (I did the conversion of site-styled entry/comment pages from the old awful system to S2, and I'm not even exaggerating about 2px changes). On a related note, this was a thing brought to my attention by a friend last week - does it seem like a useful general stop-gap measure? It wouldn't be hard to implement across the style system more generally.

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[personal profile] momijizukamori 2017-05-01 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)

Ah, okay! I misunderstood something farther up in the comment chain, carry on :) I can also maybe point more people at it for a greater range of test data if you'd like? I don't want to accidentally overwhelm you, though!

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Re: Do it.

[personal profile] momijizukamori 2017-05-01 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)

Sure thing - is it also live on your test account?

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