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MM Writes ([personal profile] marahmarie) wrote in [site community profile] dw_suggestions2017-03-13 01:07 am

Show poster is banned from quickreply

Title:
Show poster is banned from quickreply

Area:
quickreply

Summary:
In quickreply there is nothing stating a user's ban status. If a user types a comment in a journal or community from which they have been (perhaps unknowingly) banned, if they use quickreply to do so they won't realize (or recall, if they've forgotten) their ban status until they try to post their comment or else if they click through to the "more options" full-size comment box before posting.

Description:
Quickreply (the instant comment box you get on the reading page under each entry if you click "reply" from the entry linkbar) doesn't currently show relationship status to other users or communities. While kludging in the entire relationship status functionality might be a bit much for a simple reply box, it would be helpful to know if you're wasting your time writing the Gettysburg address in reply to someone, only to realize at the last second, when you try to post, that you've been banned from the journal or community in question.

While I'm not sure how it might be done, my thought is to make ban status (if applicable) visible so it can be seen before you try to post from a quickreply box. While I don't see a lot of room for it as I look at a quickreply box as I type this up, I'm thinking in addition to* the JS usericon-picker saying "Browse" in big, bold letters when you hover over it, it could say "You have been banned from this community/journal" as well.

*An earlier version of this said "While I don't see a lot of room for it as I look at a quickreply box as I type this up, I'm thinking instead of the JS usericon-picker saying "Browse" in big, bold letters when you hover over it, it could say "You have been banned from this community/journal" instead", then I realized, after posting, that "in addition to" would be better than "instead of".

Poll #18125 Show poster is banned from quickreply
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 31


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Should be implemented as-is.
15 (48.4%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
3 (9.7%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
0 (0.0%)

(I have no opinion)
11 (35.5%)

(Other: please comment)
2 (6.5%)

[personal profile] swaldman 2017-03-31 05:47 am (UTC)(link)
I would be saying "yes, do this", but I distinctly remember sitting in a room with somebody working on what I thought was the same thing - see https://github.com/dreamwidth/dw-free/pull/1696. So, er, has this already been fixed, or was an edge case missed, or have I misunderstood somewhere...
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[staff profile] denise 2017-03-31 05:50 am (UTC)(link)

The suggestion is talking about the "quicker reply" you get when you comment inline from your reading page!

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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2017-03-31 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
As long as it's information that's exposed in other places, I don't see the harm of putting it on quickerreply. (Quickreply being the regular comment on the journal entry, as opposed to the More Options original-flavor reply as first seen on LiveJournal back when Brad implemented it.)

If it isn't exposed until someone actually tries to comment, then I might be concerned about needlessly leaking information in ways that might encourage a determined troll to try some escalated tactics instead of leaving well enough alone.

[personal profile] swaldman 2017-03-31 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, sorry! QuickReply vs Quickerreply... QuickestReply? :-)
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[personal profile] jducoeur 2017-03-31 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I had the same reaction as [personal profile] azurelunatic. The question is, does the bannee always know that they have been banned? I don't know DW's answer to this, and it matters.

Some conversation designs intentionally hide ban status, or allow the community owner to hide it. That's for good reason: when you've got a troll, or somebody who is getting stalkerish, the safest approach can be to let them *think* they're successfully posting, but quietly hide it from everybody else. It prevents the trolling from being effective, while not signaling to them to escalate. (By creating new sock-puppet accounts, or nastier forms of stalking.) Hence, if this were the case in DW, "information leakage" is something you have to be careful about.

OTOH, if the more-verbose posting screens already tell you that you are banned (which it sounds like they do), then I agree with this proposal -- no reason not to state it upfront. Discovering that they've been banned only after trying to post is only likely to infuriate the troll, and make them *more* likely to escalate...
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2017-03-31 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Dreamwidth doesn't have hellbanning (as much as I might sometimes like that feature).

And, come to think of it, the profile of the user who has banned the troll will possibly give away that information, if the troll has added the user to their circles, and the user displays the lists of non-mutual access and follows on their profile, because the troll won't be on those lists, as one of the features of banning suppresses that username from displaying on the profile. (The other user will still show up on the troll's profile.)

So I suppose you're probably right.

But a determined troll is probably going to escalate no matter what, and the more common case is probably more of a one-on-one disagreement situation where one of the parties may not have realized that they've stepped over the line, rather than there being thousands of trolls who will go out of their way to give their target a terrible time.
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[personal profile] kyrielle 2017-04-01 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
They're going to find out when they hit post anyway. I think showing them when the form opens - maybe by just showing it in place of the form - makes more sense. Either way they find out. At least this way they have not typed a ton of words and hit post on them before they find out. The aggravation of going through that seems more likely to spark an escalation than a quiet notification.
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[personal profile] poulpette 2017-04-01 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I was also thinking along those lines: showing but disabling the form with a 'you have been banned from commenting here' notice.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2017-04-02 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
Would it be helpful to, in the context of the reading page and quickerreply, also offer links to unsubscribe/de-access/leave community? Those are common actions upon discovering that you've been banned.

Although, there's also the use case of banning to prevent anon-failing in communities which require anonymous comments.
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2017-04-02 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
+1 to this thread. :)
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[personal profile] poulpette 2017-04-02 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
That's a great idea, adding those links. I don't see how adding them would hurt.

As for that use case, that seems like a lost of manual work for comm' admins. To me that sounds more like a missing option (but then that becomes yet another option, and idk if that's something that would really be needed on the service as a whole?).
Edited (fixing spelling & tense) 2017-04-02 20:54 (UTC)