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Ninety Degrees (90d) 🌻 ([personal profile] ninetydegrees) wrote in [site community profile] dw_suggestions2017-02-22 02:03 pm

Improvements for preview pop-ups

Title:
Improvements for preview pop-ups


Area:
entries


Summary:
This is a new version of my previous suggestion : https://dw-suggestions.dreamwidth.org/1492300.html. As lightboxes, which are what I was thinking of, are entirely unpractical and users prefer pop-ups it is best to keep preview windows as pop-ups. However, I find previews a bit impractical in their current form because they don't let you post your entry, nor get closed automatically when you've posted it. I'm also wondering if we need to see more than your entry in the preview window. If I preview my entry in the site skin for example, a good portion of the window (viewport) is occupied by the site header, making me scroll down if my entry is a bit long. Do you, fellow users, find being able to see (and use) the header useful?


Description:
These are the things I'm suggesting but feel free to come up with other ideas, or better ways to implement them:
*A 'post your entry now' button (copyright to sporky_rat) in the preview window which will post your entry (duh) but also close the preview window and trigger the success page in your main tab.
*As the preview window is not being updated dynamically, a 'back to editing' button which closes the preview window and brings you back to your editing tab (you're still free to refresh the window if you prefer keeping both tabs open and doing things that way)
*Or, if that can be implemented, a preview window which is being updated as you type (jducoeur also mentioned having editing and preview side-by-side or top-to-bottom which I think is an interesting idea. I don't know how accessible it is, if users would prefer it, how it would work on smaller screens, etc.)
*A preview window where the actual entry is more prominently displayed and other elements are hidden or do not take so much space (like a light version of the site skin/your journal or maybe only for users who display entries in the site skin?).





Poll #18050 Improvements for preview pop-ups
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 22


This suggestion:

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Should be implemented as-is.
6 (27.3%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
3 (13.6%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
5 (22.7%)

(I have no opinion)
8 (36.4%)

(Other: please comment)
0 (0.0%)

marahmarie: my initials (MM) (Default)

[personal profile] marahmarie 2017-02-27 01:38 pm (UTC)(link)
If I preview my entry in the site skin for example, a good portion of the window (viewport) is occupied by the site header, making me scroll down if my entry is a bit long

How is this done? In six years on DW I've never seen it. My entries preview in my style only (same as you see with my custom CSS), and I thought that was the only way they could be shown.

A 'post your entry now' button

So if I hit this button because I think my entry's good to go but in my excitement forgot to add tags or change the time and/or date or the security as I was planning to, I'd have to go back to the editor to change those things after the fact, unless functionality to include those things were also added to the preview page. As I am not the most mentally organized person posting from preview might create a bit of a challenge...
Edited (edit out extra whitespace, remove comma) 2017-02-27 13:39 (UTC)
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[personal profile] jducoeur 2017-02-27 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
If we're going to stick with pop-out preview windows, then yeah -- this sounds about right to me.

As usual, it's all about UX. At the moment, you have to manually flip back and forth between the Create Entry page and the preview -- either by clicking on tabs or closing the preview window. Providing buttons to do that right in-page would be a small but definite improvement in this workflow: it fixes a little pain point that I've been noticing.

My one tweak would be that the "Back to Editing" button, instead of closing the Preview Window, would ideally just front the Create Entry tab, leaving the Preview Window open but behind -- by avoiding opening and closing the Preview Window repeatedly, it would speed things up slightly, and make the flow a little more natural. (I don't recall with 100% confidence that it's possible to front the parent window like this, but I *think* it can be done.)

Coupled with this: IMO, the Preview Window *should* auto-close when you actually post the entry -- at that point, it really has no purpose any more. I was a little surprised that that wasn't already the case; offhand, I'm not coming up with any use cases where that seems like a bad idea.

And yes, it seems totally natural to me that the Preview Window should contain a "Post Entry" button. Again, I was slightly surprised that that wasn't already available.

jducoeur also mentioned having editing and preview side-by-side or top-to-bottom which I think is an interesting idea.

I should be clear that my suggestion is specifically to have just the *content* of the post be previewed in this style, not the entire page as it works now. It's conceptually rather different from the current approach.
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[personal profile] coprime 2017-02-28 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I like the "post entry now" button, and I think having a "back to the editor" button next to the "post entry now" button would be useful. I don't have an opinion on the other suggestions.
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[personal profile] susanreads 2017-03-01 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm very dubious about a "post now" button (for the reasons other people have commented on) and not particularly bothered about the middle two, but that last one is something I want. Specifically, when I click Preview I want to see my post rendered. I don't want the header etc. taking up space, and the sidebar would be useful if the Tags link worked, but it doesn't (I think it has the wrong subdomain, www instead of my username). While we're talking about updating the preview window, is there a reason it doesn't have a Back button? If I click on a link to check that I formatted it correctly, I have to close the window and re-open it to get back to my post preview. (I'm not using the Post Entry beta, if that makes a difference.)