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Ninety Degrees (90d) 🌻 ([personal profile] ninetydegrees) wrote in [site community profile] dw_suggestions2017-02-22 02:03 pm

Improvements for preview pop-ups

Title:
Improvements for preview pop-ups


Area:
entries


Summary:
This is a new version of my previous suggestion : https://dw-suggestions.dreamwidth.org/1492300.html. As lightboxes, which are what I was thinking of, are entirely unpractical and users prefer pop-ups it is best to keep preview windows as pop-ups. However, I find previews a bit impractical in their current form because they don't let you post your entry, nor get closed automatically when you've posted it. I'm also wondering if we need to see more than your entry in the preview window. If I preview my entry in the site skin for example, a good portion of the window (viewport) is occupied by the site header, making me scroll down if my entry is a bit long. Do you, fellow users, find being able to see (and use) the header useful?


Description:
These are the things I'm suggesting but feel free to come up with other ideas, or better ways to implement them:
*A 'post your entry now' button (copyright to sporky_rat) in the preview window which will post your entry (duh) but also close the preview window and trigger the success page in your main tab.
*As the preview window is not being updated dynamically, a 'back to editing' button which closes the preview window and brings you back to your editing tab (you're still free to refresh the window if you prefer keeping both tabs open and doing things that way)
*Or, if that can be implemented, a preview window which is being updated as you type (jducoeur also mentioned having editing and preview side-by-side or top-to-bottom which I think is an interesting idea. I don't know how accessible it is, if users would prefer it, how it would work on smaller screens, etc.)
*A preview window where the actual entry is more prominently displayed and other elements are hidden or do not take so much space (like a light version of the site skin/your journal or maybe only for users who display entries in the site skin?).





Poll #18050 Improvements for preview pop-ups
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 22


This suggestion:

View Answers

Should be implemented as-is.
6 (27.3%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
3 (13.6%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
5 (22.7%)

(I have no opinion)
8 (36.4%)

(Other: please comment)
0 (0.0%)

jducoeur: (Default)

[personal profile] jducoeur 2017-02-27 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
If we're going to stick with pop-out preview windows, then yeah -- this sounds about right to me.

As usual, it's all about UX. At the moment, you have to manually flip back and forth between the Create Entry page and the preview -- either by clicking on tabs or closing the preview window. Providing buttons to do that right in-page would be a small but definite improvement in this workflow: it fixes a little pain point that I've been noticing.

My one tweak would be that the "Back to Editing" button, instead of closing the Preview Window, would ideally just front the Create Entry tab, leaving the Preview Window open but behind -- by avoiding opening and closing the Preview Window repeatedly, it would speed things up slightly, and make the flow a little more natural. (I don't recall with 100% confidence that it's possible to front the parent window like this, but I *think* it can be done.)

Coupled with this: IMO, the Preview Window *should* auto-close when you actually post the entry -- at that point, it really has no purpose any more. I was a little surprised that that wasn't already the case; offhand, I'm not coming up with any use cases where that seems like a bad idea.

And yes, it seems totally natural to me that the Preview Window should contain a "Post Entry" button. Again, I was slightly surprised that that wasn't already available.

jducoeur also mentioned having editing and preview side-by-side or top-to-bottom which I think is an interesting idea.

I should be clear that my suggestion is specifically to have just the *content* of the post be previewed in this style, not the entire page as it works now. It's conceptually rather different from the current approach.
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[personal profile] kyrielle 2017-02-27 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
The preview window auto-closing when you post is the only part of this I actually want.

If the post button is added to the preview, then sooner or later I will use it when I don't mean to, and probably post with a less-restrictive security than I meant to, and have to fix it and worry about who saw it before I did, and all that. I mean, it's there, so I might use it even tho it doesn't fit my usual processing/posting flow.

And I really don't want it cluttered with all the other options to avoid that, because then it won't be so much a preview as a big fancy editor and you might as well in-line it in the form (also, IMO, not desirable).
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[personal profile] jducoeur 2017-02-28 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
While I sympathize, I'm don't think I agree. This is a "different strokes" sort of situation, but it's not that hard for you to simply get into the habit of ignoring the button if you really don't want to use it. I mean, it's awfully easy to post with the wrong access level from the Create Post screen as well -- there's no substitute for paying attention.

Not allowing others to have the convenience doesn't seem quite fair. For some of us, it's exactly the desireable workflow...
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[personal profile] kyrielle 2017-02-28 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
It is! I wish I could remove the upper Post Entry on that page also, so only the one at the very bottom existed.

I wish there were a good way to handle both - but which trumps, convenience or privacy? Honestly for me it is privacy...then again, that's easy for me to say since I don't find the additional button convenient.
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[personal profile] jducoeur 2017-02-28 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Right -- and for me it's convenience, since it's quite rare for me to post non-public entries, and I post pretty often these days.

One downside of DW's flexibility is that one size doesn't necessarily fit all...