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Lady Asul ([personal profile] ladyasul) wrote in [site community profile] dw_suggestions2013-08-29 12:40 am

Add ability to link OpenID account to DW account during content imports from other sites

Title:
Add ability to link OpenID account to DW account during content imports from other sites

Area:
site: openid, workflow: importer, and maybe site: usability

Summary:
Subsuming your OpenID while importing content created by the OpenID's account (such as associating the OpenID of Username@Livejournal while importing Username's journal contents from Livejournal) seems a very logical thing. Suggest there be an option on the Import Content page, which is easily reachable in the larger DW-sitescheme header, to do that in the course of importing content, or at least a link to the page for associating the OpenID, with a blurb explaining what it's for. To an end user, these two processes look to be rather closely related, so to have them obviously linked seems neatly intuitive.

Description:
I imported an account from LiveJournal a while ago and checked an entry's page, only to finally realize that comments made by that account, while it was on LJ, to its own posts... did not register as belonging to the new account on Dreamwidth, although the entries in the journal correctly said that they belonged to the DW account.

I realize that importing content from a non-DW journal to a DW journal and claiming ownership of that non-DW journal's comments are two separate things, but they feel as though they should go together somehow.

I can see two ways of doing this quite neatly, and in a way that makes things clear to the new user. The first would be to include a note on the Import Content page stating that "importing the comments on a journal's entries does not claim ownership of the journal's own comments, but this tool can take care of that for you: (and a link to the appropriate page for subsuming your OpenID accounts)" or something to that effect.

The other way, which I suspect would be more work, but still end up pleasing many users, would be to combine the two pages, so that you could take care of both tasks at once, if you wanted. There's all sorts of options for what to import, exactly, and you already need to enter your username and password, and specify which site to import from. Taking ownership of that account's comments, especially on its own pages, seems a logical and intuitive part of the process, to me.

If the second idea is gone for, still having a note and link like the first idea, in the Import pages (and it being pointed out that taking ownership of the OpenID account works for all OpenID sites, whereas importing the content only currently works for LiveJournal and InsaneJounral, would be great too) would be very handy, especially as it isn't linked directly in the header navigation, while Import Content is.

Poll #14591 Add ability to link OpenID account to DW account during content imports from other sites
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 26


This suggestion:

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Should be implemented as-is.
16 (61.5%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
0 (0.0%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
0 (0.0%)

(I have no opinion)
9 (34.6%)

(Other: please comment)
1 (3.8%)

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[personal profile] kyrielle 2013-11-26 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
One note, namely that I think "...the journal's own comments" is an unclear phrasing - that is, it could refer to comments made by that journal's account (which I believe is your usage here) or comments made in that journal by others. The latter doesn't make much sense, but still could cause confusion.

Also, if we tie these tightly together and I'm right in understanding how claiming the id works, we need to do something to make it clear to users that they're not just claiming replies by that offsite account /inside its own journal/, but throughout Dreamwidth. If I claim my account and you import your account and I've commented on it, those comments are also claimed, yes? I would hate to see someone claim their comments thinking it only affected their journal, and possibly tie together things they didn't really mean to.
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[personal profile] mm_writes 2013-11-28 05:58 am (UTC)(link)
I'm just curious as to how this intersects with what [staff profile] mark has said in the past about comment claiming. I can't find a single comment of his on the topic to link to right now, but I've read a few in which he'd said that the problem with claiming comments was original authorship - oh wait, that was comment editing after importing comments from off-site.

We're currently not allowed to edit comments originally made offsite and then imported here - our own or others, if I recall correctly - because, in Mark's words, there is a problem with claiming authorship. If I edit a comment that I say is my own because I imported the journal it's on from LJ but I'm not actually the author - that might've been one use case; another is that if you were to edit the comments made by an off-site commenter, copyright violation might be one issue.

But this doesn't fall within the parameters of asking for editorial control of offsite comments, it just says - if I'm reading it correctly - let's take our own offsite comments and put our DW names on them same as the posts they're attached to. And I really don't see why not (though there is something to be said for knowing which of my comments were made while I was still an LJ user vs. which ones I've made since then as a DW user).
Edited (typo, clarity) 2013-11-28 06:10 (UTC)
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[staff profile] denise 2013-11-28 01:04 pm (UTC)(link)
you can claim your openid and once you do, they'll appear as having come from your account (and the icons will appear properly, etc.) the suggestion is to put a link to that process as part of the import process.
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[personal profile] matgb 2013-11-29 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
*cough*login as that LJs OpenID, upload some userpics, make sure they have the same keywords as the pics used on your previous test post had, job done ;-)
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[staff profile] denise 2013-11-28 01:04 pm (UTC)(link)
this is incorrect; you can edit comments of yours that you've imported both before and after they have been claimed by your DW account. if they were left by your openid you only have to log in as your openid. it's already possible and has been for quite some time; the suggestion is only asking for a link to that as part of the import process.
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[personal profile] mm_writes 2013-11-29 06:11 am (UTC)(link)
No, I believe in certain use cases that what you are saying is incorrect, because I cannot claim an OpenID for my deleted LJ. I imported it back in 2009? 2010? And I'm unsure if OpenID claiming was in effect back then but if it was, I was unaware of it, so I deleted my LJ almost immediately after importing it. I think it's too late for me to claim the OpenID for it now. So the comments I made on this page - I'm of the belief that I cannot edit them now simply because I cannot claim them through OpenID.

From the FAQ (emphasis mine): "Visit the Claim your OpenID page while logged in as the account you want to claim the OpenID with. This is the account that the posts and comments will update as having been posted by."

I cannot do that. Thus my confusion on this point. Sure, extant LJ accounts can do that. But mine can't!

ETA; OpenID was in fact added after I joined/imported my LJ: http://dw-news.dreamwidth.org/32702.html

Also, my curiosity re copyright and so on was due to the way the OP worded the suggestion; it never mentioned that this feature (that is, importing comments on your own DW with OpenID so they show up under your DW username instead of your offsite username) already existed, and I don't think I realized it did, so I was looking at it as the entire thing was something that still had yet to be done. I didn't realize this Suggestion was as simple as adding a link during import so you don't have to know there's a FAQ and go visit it to complete the process of importing/claiming your DW's comments along with the posts (basically, I thought the tool for doing so along with the link for it still both had to be created; that's where I was getting hung up).
Edited (clarity because yeah, I knew OpenID existed, I just didn't realize it did your own DW's comments, too) 2013-11-29 06:37 (UTC)