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sᴛᴏʀᴍʏ ([personal profile] stormy) wrote in [site community profile] dw_suggestions2013-08-19 11:43 pm

[css] Add admin-post css to entry-wrappers.

Title:
[css] Add admin-post css to entry-wrappers.

Area:
styles, entries

Summary:
When you mark a comment as an official admin/mod hat comment, it applies the admin-post class to the comment's comment-wrapper, but the same does not happen when you mark an entry as official. The entry-wrapper does not gain a admin-post class. I suggest that it does so you can use css to format those posts separately from others.

Description:
When you mark a comment as an official admin/mod hat comment, it applies the admin-post class to the comment's comment-wrapper, but the same does not happen when you mark an entry as official. The entry-wrapper does not gain a admin-post class. I suggest that it does so you can use css to format those posts separately from others. Personally, I'd love to use this as a way to call more attention to those specific entries without having to use a .poster class and have everything marked by a specific user stand out.

An additional suggestion related to this: At current the class .admin-post gets added to comments when they are made official moderator comments. It might be easier to suggest this css is changed to .admin-comment if it is a comment and .admin-post if it is added to an entry. This isn't a necessary step because you could format with ( .entry-wrapper .admin-post AND .comment-wrapper .admin-post ) but it might just be cleaner for those who don't like listing multiple classes together to specify.

Poll #14085 [css] Add admin-post css to entry-wrappers.
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 37


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Should be implemented as-is.
24 (64.9%)

Should be implemented with changes. (please comment)
1 (2.7%)

Shouldn't be implemented.
0 (0.0%)

(I have no opinion)
12 (32.4%)

(Other: please comment)
0 (0.0%)

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[personal profile] green_knight 2013-08-20 07:42 am (UTC)(link)
(Aside: when I pressed the answer button on my rlist, I got a 'form is invalid' response, from the single entry page it was fine, though the button turned into a weird shape).

admin-comment and admin-post would be a good thing, but it would break the formatting of existing comments, so it will need a different name. In general, I'd support two classes.
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[personal profile] anaraine 2013-08-20 08:39 am (UTC)(link)
While I support the idea of a class for admin posts (whichever way you feel like doing it, I don't mind listing multiple classes to specify)... does Dreamwidth already have a way to mark "official/mod" posts? (Not just by using a specific icon, I mean.) I thought that was something still in development... or even still just in [site community profile] dw_suggestions.
Edited 2013-08-20 08:39 (UTC)
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2013-08-20 09:41 am (UTC)(link)
It went live last release; this would supplement it to make them easier to style unmistakably.
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[personal profile] habite 2013-08-20 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I support the idea of having a separate class for admin-posts... Say, for example, in the css the entry could automatically be given a border (or different border to normal posts) with the option for the admin(s) to edit it via custom css? That way it's optional for those who don't want admin posts to appear any different.
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[personal profile] arethinn 2013-08-20 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Are there other uses for marking a post/comment "admin" besides gaining different styling for it? I'm confused why someone would want to do what you describe.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2013-08-21 12:38 am (UTC)(link)

Only users in official positions in a community can make admin flagged comments or entries, so it's a way of authenticating that the user has authority to make official community statements.

It also serves to distinguish between that user speaking as just another community member, or with authority.

It's new, so it hasn't been used as much as previous workarounds like special icons or tags.

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[personal profile] arethinn 2013-08-21 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
I understand the philosophy, but how then is a reader supposed to know that the comment or post is flagged admin, if you have suppressed special styling? I'm just not sure how it would then serve the purpose it's supposed to serve. Is it marked on the post/comment in some other way (which would seem to conflict with the desire to make them look identical to regular user posts)?
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[personal profile] habite 2013-08-21 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
If, for example, the community in question was a fic-exchange community or a contest community, it would be super useful to have the ability to tell at a glance which posts are 'official' posts, as opposed to posts by regular members.
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[personal profile] arethinn 2013-08-21 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
Sure, but if you suppressed the styling, how would you then tell at a glance?
Edited 2013-08-21 02:21 (UTC)
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[personal profile] habite 2013-08-21 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
Well I imagine the whole thing would work in much the same way that ticking 'admin post' does when you're posting a comment; if you tick 'admin post' when writing the entry, the specialized styling is used, if you leave it unchecked then the entry appears as normal.

Suppressing the styling would be optional in the cases of admins who wanted their entries to appear the same as regular members (such as if they are posting stories as a response to a contest, for example).
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2013-08-21 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
But -- I see why someone who thinks that the stock appearance of admin post flagged items is ugly might want to make it appear as much like a normal entry or comment as possible in their own style or for a community they moderate, but the use case you describe, for admins who want to look like normal users -- I don't think that's a helpful use case. Admins who want to look like normal users would just not check the box.
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[personal profile] habite 2013-08-21 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
Oh sorry - that's what I meant; that they would not tick the box, which would in turn suppress the styling.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2013-08-21 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
So summing up some of the other comments, it sounds like the main use case is to either leave it with the existing subtle differences, or take advantage of the css class to either tastefully or ... not so tastefully ... highlight the admin posts so they're much easier to spot.

When [personal profile] kaberett's changes to the support board to highlight the different types of comment there with dashes as well as changes to line color came into effect, I was surprised and very pleased with how much cognitive overhead it removed for me. I hadn't thought I was spending so much of my attention on telling the comment types apart by color, and yet the removal freed up so much attention.
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[personal profile] arethinn 2013-08-21 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
I hadn't been aware there wasn't some kind of quite obvious visual difference by default - I thought the point of this was mainly so that could be suppressed if wanted and thought "then why mark them admin in the first place if it leaves no difference at all". If it's so that it can be skinned as arbitrarily desired (including no different styling), that makes more sense.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2013-08-21 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
Most "please add a CSS class" requests are for skin-as-arbitrarily-desired, yeah.

As for the existing state, it depends on what you think of as obvious -- there's a red rosette and text in either the subject line or comment header, but it's something that I personally could miss at 3am with no glasses on my phone, and that people with less available attention span/lower vision might miss entirely.
Edited (clarity? it's probably after my bedtime, heh) 2013-08-21 04:23 (UTC)
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2013-11-25 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, the red rosette is really ugly (IMHO), so I rather keep tagging my admin posts "admin" in the comm I mod rather than using the official flag and having to see that thing. So I would like the CSS styling would allow alternative markers that got rid of the red rosette thing entirely and showed the status in another way.